Saturday, May 26, 2018

The Great Debate: Solutions Part 3

Before getting into other suggestions for solutions to the issue of school shootings, I would be remiss if I did not point out how the most recent incident at the Sante Fe, Texas happens to show the stupidity of the gun-control narrative.  No semi-automatic rifle was used.  The punk used a sawed-off shotgun (as I understand it) and a revolver.  Now the gun-control buffoons must admit they want to ban all firearms, because neither of these can be classified as military grade weapons.  They are not semi-automatic, don't have large magazines and don't look like M-16s.  The weapons were stolen from the punk's parents.  They were not purchased from a gun show, or through a straw purchase.  As such, no background checks were possible. 

And again, adults failed to see the warning signs, but thankfully, school resource officers were there to confront the punk and limit the carnage.  A teacher with a concealed carry permit might have done better were one on sight.  Thus, we again see that a punk felt relatively safe attacking people in a school with little fear of return fire. 

We also see that when we consider the weapons used, the means by which such a punk might achieve his goals is dictated by circumstance.  He didn't need an AR15 because he could get his hands on a shotgun and revolver.  With those, twenty took hits with half of them dying.  This means that banning rifles like AR15s is a worthless move and meaningless if other forms of firearms are accessible.  What's more, the reports stated that explosive devices were part of the plan as well, so no firearms wouldn't have mattered anyway, were his lethal intentions intense.  So still, guns aren't the problem.

So what other solutions might have made prevented this incident?  One that I encountered in a previous job that brought me to a number of schools is limited entry.  The fewer doors through which people can enter, the easier it is to monitor who comes in.  In several schools I had to regularly visit, I had to get buzzed in.  I'd ring a bell, a person from the office would speak to me over an intercom and, as I was expected, I was allowed entry.  More often than not, my entry was directly through the main office before I could access any other part of the school.  Some schools also had cameras at the main entrance so that a visitor was seen as well as heard.  (Other co-workers visited city schools --Chicago-- were there were security people who not only watched out for you, but for your vehicle as well, while protecting the school, too.)  Anybody that looked the least bit suspicious would not be granted entry.  This doesn't even require armed guards.

This one simple strategy acknowledges something that feo-for-brains gun control people don't:  the issue is protecting students from attacks by those who will find a way to do harm no matter what weapons are denied the law-abiding public.  By monitoring who comes in (listen up defenders of illegal immigrants), those in charge can regulate entry to those deemed safe for admittance.  Thus, the means by which an assailant intends to do harm...what tool chosen for the task...doesn't matter.  One who has no legitimate reason for being there isn't allowed entry in the first place.

I recall back in the early 70's, a friend and I drove another friend for his last day of summer school.  We sought to wait the four hours until school was out and drive the dude home.   We attempted to plant ourselves in the cafeteria where vending machines and a jukebox would make our wait enjoyable.  The administration denied us, simply because we had no legitimate business being in the building...waiting for our friend not considered legitimate business.  I have no doubt that the thought that we might be armed and intending to shoot up the place never crossed their mind.  It was simply a natural and reasonable attitude that those with no legitimate business could not remain in the building, particularly when classes were in session.  We were escorted out.

But let's get back to the Sante Fe shooting.  Would this suggestion have made a difference?  No.  The shooter was a student in the school.  But limited entry would help make this trench coat wearing kid stand out.  A hot day and one kid is overdressed.  Might that not be a good reason to approach the kid?  It was his practice and while I don't know if he was so attired on the day in question, had he been then perhaps he was planning this, or something like this, by setting the precedent of always wearing the coat.  How much intelligence is required to suppose that such fashion statements might be used for ill and thus it might be best to dissuade the kid from so dressing?  In another flashback to my yoot, a group of us was attending a school dance (live music from local bands populated with other friends was common back then).  Entry was limited through one doorway.  At the post was a couple of school staff, including the school cop, with whom we were each personally acquainted for one reason or another.  The officer had no moral issue with plunging his hand in the coat pocket of my buddy, wrapping his hand around an ounce of weed.  Knowing we were more rascal than criminal, he released his grip and warned us to stay out of trouble.  It would have been an easy bust, and had we been more than mischievous a ride to the station would have been in my buddy's immediate future.  The point here is that true monitoring was common then and that single point of entry resulted in an awareness the authorities couldn't have had with multiple avenues of access.

This school security thing isn't complicated.  Some of it, like single point of entry, has been implemented in many schools for some time.  Why it isn't universal is a failure of the adults who aren't using their heads.  It doesn't require denying weapons to the law abiding to implement in order to make schools that much safer.  It can be enhanced with metal detectors for those schools who want to go that far, as one school I visited now and then had upon passing through their single point of entry.   It can be enhanced by a cop, a volunteer or any member of the school staff with a concealed carry permit.  And it stands as one more point on a larger list of solutions that would actually reduce the ability of assailants to achieve their fatal goals, and which gun-grabbers with their heads up their feo's lack the intelligence to recognize is reasonable, practical and easily doable.








16 comments:

Eternity Matters said...

Excellent points, as usual. The gun-grabbers won't care though, as their deadly combination of malice and ignorance won't let them. Remember that they are almost universally pro-abortion, so their "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children" bit falls flat from the start.

Side note: One of the logical consequences of gun-grabbing is this: https://moonbattery.com/tommy-robinson-thrown-in-jail-for-reporting-on-muslim-rape-gangs/ . And the Leftists know that if they disarm you they can get away with anything.

Eternity Matters said...

And keep in mind how their malice won't let them implement partial solutions. They know that they would help, but when their real goal is gun-grabbing they don't want to improve the situation. They need new crises to fuel their agenda. That's why the shootings that are prevented or cut short immediately go down the Leftist media memory hole. If it doesn't fit the narrative then it doesn't get reported.

You can easily test them on this. Just ask why they don't push for those solutions ASAP while they continue to focus on gun bans. After all, if they really thought every life counted then they'd agree.

Eternity Matters said...

Finally, just read some first hand accounts of victims of the Holocaust and other atrocities. Pretty sure they would have liked to have had guns when they were being put on those trains.

Marshal Art said...

feo...you're not welcome here until you fulfill your obligation...after which you'll be allowed to return and pretend you're intelligent, providing me with laughter.

Marshal Art said...

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL VISITORS!!!

Respond to him if you like, but I will continue deleting comments from feo unless and until he adheres to feo-specific demands now in place. They are simple, if for the simple-minded like feo...

1. feo must copy/paste whatever for him passes as a plan for reducing/eliminating school shootings and mass murder. It must be adjusted so as to eliminate all attempts to denigrate, insult or attack any other visitor and instead reflect a level of Christian kindness never before expressed by feo from the first day he ever visited this blog. This will naturally require that he seek help from an actual Christian who can guided him toward such a response.

2. feo must define his terms precisely so as to prevent misunderstanding by those who might read his comments.

3. feo must remember that he has no standing here to make demands of anyone else. To avoid complying with the above until anyone else acts first is not acceptable, as feo has no authority to make such demands while ignoring those of the guy whose blog this is...me.

4. As I will certainly publish new posts in the near future, these demands will remain in effect, and until feo complies and produces here what is expected of him by me, any and all comments from this point going forward will be deleted. He must first comply here with this demand to produce his "plan" along with terms defined to OUR satisfaction.

5. feo, more than anyone else, will be expected to always refrain from ANY snark, insult, demeaning comments and personal attacks, regardless of whether or not such are leveled at him. All of this will be judged by yours truly and the fate of feo's comments is completely and solely at my discretion. So, if feo wishes to copy and store his comments for re-posting (a practice I employ with the difference that mine contain actual questions or arguments not addressed---usually because Dan's a coward, too), it would serve him to make sure they are composed with Christian kindness a chief characteristic, instead of his usual hatefulness and lying.

feo has earned this distinction with flying colors. I will enforce these rules with extreme prejudice at my earliest opportunity and convenience. Keep this in mind if anyone chooses to respond, as the comment to which you responded will surely be deleted.

March 26, 2018 at 4:44 PM

feo must go back to the thread where this began and respond there. His feeble attempts to suggest he has any clue about the issue will be deleted until he complies, though in complying he'll only further validate the truth that he has no clue...about anything. Nonetheless, it's the only way he'll ever be allowed to comment...to the extent his behavior doesn't get in the way...at all. Good luck to you, feo, you false priest of paganism. I have no doubt you'll fail in a most epic manner. It's the only thing at which you show any real ability.

Marshal Art said...

feo thinks I'm "scrubbing" facts. Not so. I'm deleting comments that don't meet the terms of the above demands...leveled against him as a consequence of his own behavior. What's more, the "facts" that feo continues to post are meaningless with regard to the issue of how to protect our kids when in their schools...or how to reduce murder in general. feo, being stupid, thinks removing one weapon of choice will result in the murderous giving up...as if there are no other alternatives for perpetrating their crimes. feo likes to repeat the idiotic "more guns, more gun violence" as if it is profound and the answer to the problem of violence in general. It is not. There are enough examples of mass killings by means other than firearms to prove that feo has his head up his ass. As long as alternative means exist, and as long as those intent on murdering as many people as possible seek ways to accomplish that goal, people will remain at risk. Remove all the guns in the world and that fact will remain, and people will die.

So, feo must find a spine and meet the challenge put to him. I now narrow the focus from reducing/eliminating school shootings to how feo plans to protect students in their schools. I expect some facts...actual facts relevant to the challenge...that supports whatever his plan might be, meaning, what makes feo think his plan has any hope of succeeding to protect students.

This challenge will not be met because feo has no plan, no intellect capable of coming up with a plan that is actually likely to make any difference and of course, feo is incapable of laying one out as if he actually cares about the kids at all. He's more about pretending he's intellectually and morally superior...which always makes me laugh.

Craig said...

The silence on the epidemic of sexual abuse in the schools, compared to the gun ban folks, is deafening.

I guess keeping the kids “safe” only goes so far.

500 kids in Chicago victims and silence from the left. Mustn’t offend the teacher unions.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

Well, perhaps the leftists consider sexual abuse to be sex education.

Craig said...

Between PP and the NEA the left protects quite a bit of sexual abuse.

Marshal Art said...

Ah! feo's racism hasn't abated!

Have you noticed, Craig, how feo and Dan...these two exemplars of Christianity...so easily find "f-bombs" acceptable language while failing to defend their positions...such as they are?

In the meantime, I...one "simply enraged"...now has 3-4 posts with specific, workable and effective solutions that will reduce massively...if not eliminate...the murder of more students? feo's offered nothing but the impotent "gun control" options that are proven failures.

Oh well. What more can be expected from a false priest of very low intellect and very high degree of self-loathing and irrational hatred of his own race? Nothing but more substance free comments that will join these in the pile of other deleted comments. We can still pray that his pagan heart receives the epiphany from God he so desperately needs.

Craig said...

Yes, I have noticed that expletives and personal attacks are the stock in trade of both of them.

In this case, we’re supposed to somehow understand that Feo’s silence about the sexual abuse epidemic in schools indicates outrage. The fact that I’ve mentioned this multiple times and he’s ignored it just indicates how upset he is. The NEA and Planned Parenthood hide sexual abuse and those who support them can’t muster up even tepid criticism because it takes away from the narrative.

Just like Dan, just can’t quite call out Bee, or Goldberg, or the rest of those who speak vileness, Fei can’t quite muster the same level of outrage for scary sexual predator teachers, as he can for inanimate objects that are scary looking.

Craig said...

I’ve dropped nothing. I also haven’t remained silent as my union brothers and sisters sexually abuse those in their care.

Actually, I don’t have any rage. I leave the uncontrolled, emotional, irrational responses to those on your side. Rage is rarely productive and most often just an example of uncontrolled selfishness.

Once again, the fact that you direct your rage at us, rather than those who actually shoot people or against your NEA brothers and sisters is just as bizarre as your silence on the epidemic of sexual abuse in schools.

Craig said...

Over 17,000 students sexually assaulted and we get silence from the village idiot.

AP reporter on this in 2017, but silence from the village idiot.

The village idiot’s NEA brethren and sistren are (per AP) either not protecting the children they’ve been charged to care for, or are the ones doing the assaulting.

If the proportions cited are correct there are over 2,500 sexual assaults by adults in the education system in addition to the 17,000 by other students. But the village idiot would rather hurl slurs, expletives, vitriol and invective at Art and I.

Craig said...

It’s not as easy to find reporting on this epidemic as being force fed the narrative on school shootings, but a modicum of effort with The Google is all you need.

Craig said...

I’m sorry if reality intruding Into your cave is so disorienting to you that all you can do is interrupt your expletive filled rants with repetition of crap you’ve made up out of thin air.

I’m on record here and in multiple other places condemning Trump, more, and others. The more you attempt to divert attention from the sexual assault epidemic in schools, the more convinced I am that it’s hitting much too close to home for you.

Marshal Art said...

OK. So I've once again deleted an entire conversation because it included feo NOT fulfilling his obligations imposed as a result of his own bad behaviors and unsupported claims about gun-control and school safety. If he's not going to meet those obligations as spelled out and reprinted above, all else will be deleted, all responses to him will be deleted and even should he man up and appear to fulfill the obligation, he will be deleted if he does not fulfill them to my satisfaction. The terms above are clear and a bright boy like feo shouldn't have any problem completing the task should he actually have more than shit for brains...which I fully doubt as his every comment suggests that is the case. I don't give a flying rat's ass about anything else he has to say or how anyone might respond to it, if what he has to say isn't what is expected of him, all will be deleted. He never will comply, because he hasn't the courage, the brains or the ability to support his own superficial and impotent positions. He and Dan make quite a pair in that regard. But since feo goes out of his way...as he always has...to prove just how much of an arrogant asshole he is, there is no other recourse available to him in order to be welcomed into adult conversation here. I don't much care if I'm the only one posting anything (as this blog is as much to express my thoughts as it is to invite the ADULT, MATURE and CIVIL thoughts of others...which pretty much leaves feo out on every point), feo's comments will not stand. I don't want to have to deal with comment moderation, but as I prefer all to use their welcome responsibly, I have no illusions that feo ever will and thus comment moderation is on the table. Then, feo's legend-in-his-own-childish-mind comments will never see the light of day. Your choice, pagan. Let's see some of that vaunted, but never presented, superior intelligence.

Prove it is YOU who is not the poor little snowflake and comply like a man.

UPDATE

It seems feo is trying to assert that I'm afraid of "facts" and what for him passes as rational arguments. I get a good laugh every time he says such crap. The fact is that his "facts" don't matter, even if I was to concede that they're relevant and truly supportive of his "positions"...such as they are....which they never are. No. None of that matters. There is only one reason why his drivel is deleted, and it is stated above. He'll continue to pretend he's offering that which is beyond me to overcome...as if I'm actually wrong...but he's never, to date, offered anything remotely close to being so troubling. No again. He's merely required to meet distinct requirements that should be easy for such a bright boy as he, if indeed he was bright and his "positions"...such as they are...are actually defensible. Clearly they must not be or all this would have been settled back in March.