I've been struggling to decide on what to post. A combination of low motivation together with an abundance of distractions has given me little time to do more than post comments elsewhere. Doing a proper post requires more work. Yet, while commenting elsewhere, especially at Dan's Blog of Lies and Perversion (a newer title I'll be using for the foreseeable future), I tend to collects several links which provide evidence for the facts I present there, though Dan will often delete them without a true perusal and never with any fact based counter response. In any case, I have lots of stuff which actually does support my positions and, as always, totally destroys his. This poses a problem for me, as there is so much that it will be difficult to determine just how to proceed. Thus, I might jump around a bit, and I'm thinking I will simply do something resembling a round up, as we commonly see at Craig's blog or Stan's every Saturday, or maybe just publish a separate post for different angles my stack of stuff can generate. It will all revolve around the case of one Mahmoud Khalil, who is being detained and likely deported for his leading and participation in anti-Semitic events on college campuses and elsewhere. True reprobates like Dan falsely claim this is some kind of infringement on free speech, as if foreigners are welcome to come to our land and speak out against our government and those of our allies, accusing us of being the bad guys responsible for the suffering they themselves have caused. In any case, there likely will be no rhyme or reason regarding what I post first, but they will indeed all be interconnected. As I proceed, I hope I can make changes if I think it's too convoluted or disjointed. It won't matter with regard to Dan, as he won't be posting anything substantive in response no matter how I do this. He will simply do all which he never allows at his Blog of Lies and Perversions (yeah...I changed it again...plural is better given who hosts the blog).
Anyway, let's get started. I've decided I'm going to begin with CUAD and perhaps some related groups. This is the beginning of explaining why bouncing this dude from our shores was totally justified, and also will show how pathetic Dan's defense of the guy, and those like him, truly is. I submit two pieces, one from CUAD and the other a link I posted at Dan's from the Jerusalem Post:
What are the beliefs of Mahmoud Khalil’s activist group CUAD? - The Jerusalem Post
Columbia University Apartheid Divest: Who we are
What we see in just the two links above are clear presentations of what CUAD is, and their false narratives in support of those who falsely call themselves "Palestinians". Throughout the JP article, we see descriptions which are clearly affirmed by the "Who we are" CUAD editorial. What seems clear is their intention of framing their "struggle"...that is, their defense of their indefensible position...as akin to the struggles of others they claim are victims of oppression. Whether they are or not is not the point. The point is that they are trying to project the lie that the Gazans are such people. They are not. They are inhibited to act as the hateful savages they are and monitored for attempts to do so. What they regard as oppression is akin to a rambunctious child being restrained from hitting the other kids, or an overly aggressive dog tightly leashed to prevent it from snapping at passersby. We approve of evil oppressed by good so that evil is contained at the very least. That's Gaza as it now stands.
Further, CUAD speaks of Gaza as having been mercilessly attacked, despite all IDF actions have been in response to murderous attacks by those the Gazans voted to lead them. Israel warns the citizens they're coming for that purpose. The Gazans restrain their own from fleeing the retribution so richly deserved. And all the while, Israel provides aid to those Gazans caught up in what their own initiated, as if Israel is somehow obliged to do so.
CUAD not only perpetuates lies about the inflated death toll...as well as who's responsible for any of it (it's the Gazans themselves who are), they insist that violence is an acceptable means of "freeing" themselves from the oppression which doesn't exist. They speak of this being acceptable when "peaceful" methods have been exhausted. What methods would those be and when were they the first order of business between them and Israel? From the 1940s, when those who had absolutely no claim to the land fled on the certainty that the four Arab nations which sough to defeat and drive off Israel would succeed and they could return to claim whatever spoils were left in the aftermath. They have no "right of return" as if they were driven off. It wasn't theirs in the first place anyway. Indeed, they hadn't yet claimed the fake name "Palestinian" and hadn't begun to spin the false tale that they were an actual people with an actual history tied to Israel/Judea.
From there, there have been scores of peace treaty attempts by Israel, including driving from Gaza their own people in order to give to the Gazans what was never theirs just to appease their murderous intentions. The same was true with the Fatah factions of the West Bank, who also have no claim to any of that land. Negotiations have been held constantly and constantly the fake "Pallies" rejected it all. There was no "Nakba". There was only treachery and hate for the Jews and the covetous desire to take all of it.
This is what CUAD is and Khalil is a leader in that cause. Nowhere in the manifesto does CUAD speak of peace and brotherhood with the Jews, nor do they speak against the murderous evil of Hamas nor is there a call for Hamas to stand down and stow their weapons. But somehow, apologists and idiots like Dan want us to believe this guy isn't a Hamas shill. It's absurd and more so to pretend it's OK for someone to come to our country, profit by an education in our universities and then dare to organize what are too often violent and destructive "protests" (displaying a kinship with lefties everywhere) and make demands about who the university will support based on the lies they spew about the scum they support. If low character instigators like Khalil truly care about the plight of the so-called "Palestinians", he would be better in their service by going to Gaza and leading them to throw off their hatreds and focusing on their own development as the nation they pretend they are.
That's not happening, though. Instead, we hear crap about "colonialists" and "imperialism" of others, all the while pretending that the history of islam is exactly that in the most negative understanding of the terms. Since the 600s AD, islam has been spread by terror and oppression, taking over, not befriending, and everything they touch becomes theirs forever. They still think Spain is theirs. So they lie about that, too. I'll have more to say about those terms later.
So what we've seen thus far, is reason enough for Marco Rubio to cancel Khalil's green card and send him packing. He's free to take his American wife with him and raise his new kid there while he builds Gaza into a peace loving people seeking true fellowship with the non-muslim world.
Friday, April 11, 2025
Khalil Deserves Deportation...The First Of Possibly Many Arguments To That Fact
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A source, please, that CUAD has said ANY of the things that JP alleges, without support, as far as I've seen.
And a source, please, for proof that Mr Kahlil said any of that.
You see, in a free Republic, we don't convict innocent people on gossip, slander and hearsay.
That racists and their allies are satisfied with rumors, people who value decency and truth are not.
Really. Grow beyond this racist/xenophobic mindset.
Be an American. Be a Christian.
Dan
CUAD, in their own words...
“The Palestinian cause is not a cause for Palestinians only, but a cause for every revolutionary, wherever [they are], as a cause of the exploited and oppressed masses in our era.” - Ghassan Kanafani
We support freedom and justice for the Palestinian people, and for all people....
We will not rest until Columbia divests from apartheid Israel, Palestinians are free, and liberation is achieved for all oppressed people worldwide...
We know that antisemitism, Islamophobia, and racism—in particular racism against Arabs and Palestinians—are all cut from the same cloth: Western colonization, imperialism, white supremacy, and anti-Blackness. Silencing Jewish voices for Palestine is arguably antisemitic: it conflates Judaism with Zionism and imposes an external definition on an entire group’s religion and culture. The University ignores, misreports, and twists the reality of the brutality unfolding in Gaza while erasing Jewish voices from the Palestinian liberation movement."
Dan
As you can see from CHAD'S own words from the link you cited, CUAD stands against antisemitism and colonialism and oppression.
Good things to stand against, obviously, and a clear rejection of your false claims of antisemitism.
And they stand in support of the oppressed and marginalized, those innocent people harmed by Israel's bombing of Gaza which has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths perpetrated by Israel's military and leadership.
Standing opposed to deadly policies of Israel IS simply not antisemitism, no matter how much you may call it that. Words have meanings.
Rebuked by your own source.
Dan
Marshal...
"CUAD not only perpetuates lies about the inflated death toll...as well as who's responsible for any of it (it's the Gazans themselves who are), they insist that violence is an acceptable means of "freeing" themselves from the oppression which doesn't exist. "
1. As a point of fact, YOU, Marshal, do not know an accurate death toll count. Do you admit that reality?
2. Therefore, YOU do not know if they are inflating the death toll. Because, of course, if you don't have any accurate account, then you simply don't know if their account is inflated. Do you recognize that reality?
3. What CUAD is most likely doing, is reporting the numbers we had available. There's nothing wrong or false about that.
4. While it's possible the Gazan authorities were estimating on the high end (POSSIBLE, not a given), we know from multiple sources that there have been thousands of men women and children killed. If the number turns out to be 32,000 rather than 40,000, the point remains valid: there ARE innocent people being killed and maimed, and in very high numbers.
Do you recognize that reality?
4. Gazans who engage in killing innocent people are responsible for those deaths and should be held accountable. Israelis who kill innocent people are responsible for those deaths.
It doesn't matter if you want to be one-sided about it, each person is accountable for their own atrocities.
Dan
April 13, 2025 at 2:21 AM
"A source, please, that CUAD has said ANY of the things that JP alleges, without support, as far as I've seen."
The standard here is not "as far as Dan Trabue sees", because Dan Trabue sees only what he wants to see and demands others see it, too.
The source is the CUAD manifesto to which I linked along with the JP article. Despite Dan Trabue's insistence that exact words and verbiage must be presented in order to insist one party said, "XYZ", honest people can easily see that the article accurately presents the sentiments and positions of CUAD, which are reprehensible.
"And a source, please, for proof that Mr Kahlil said any of that."
Again, the CUAD manifesto to which I linked provides the lie-based positions of the anti-Semitic group and that Khalil acts as their agent on their behalf in furtherance of their demands and positions, he has said all of it by so acting.
I fully doubt without reservation that you would defend in the same manner an agent of the Ku Klux Klan who acted on their behalf in the same way.
"You see, in a free Republic, we don't convict innocent people on gossip, slander and hearsay."
That's funny coming from a Trump-hater who lies in support of abortion "rights". But there's none of that here. It's not like there's no record or witness to the types of things this guy has said, and again, his words presented at your blog and those of the CUAD for which he had a leadership position, is not gossip, slander and hearsay.
"That racists and their allies are satisfied with rumors, people who value decency and truth are not."
Truth is anathema to both you and the anti-Semites you defend. Decent people don't lie about who they are ("Palestinian"), what land is their ancestral land (Gaza or any other patch of Israel/Judea upon which they have their sights set), that they were driven off by the people they hate (when they left believing Arab nations would totally destroy the people they hate so that they can move in and take more of the land), that they have any legitimate right to the land which was ceded to them in the mistaken but well intended belief it would lead to peace, pretend their suffering is caused by the people they've been trying to wipe off the face of the earth and thus are actually oppressed by them...and who've been willing to murder, rape, kidnap, torture the people of Israel at every opportunity with the desire to wipe them all out "from the river to the sea".
Take that shit back to your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
"Really. Grow beyond this racist/xenophobic mindset."
Really. Stop pretending speaking the truth is racist or xenophobic. Take that shit back to your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
"Be an American. Be a Christian."
I am both. You are neither. You're what's been wrong with this country.
April 13, 2025 at 3:56 AM
"CUAD, in their own words...
“The Palestinian cause is not a cause for Palestinians only, but a cause for every revolutionary, wherever [they are], as a cause of the exploited and oppressed masses in our era.” - Ghassan Kanafani"
Double-speak. Talking out both sides of their mouths. They speak with forked tongue. They lie like Dan Trabue. This is fluff. Misdirection. The "Palestinian" cause is only for "Palestinians" as they do nothing for anyone else but "Palestinians". They are liars and murderers and supporters of liars and murderers who lie and murder to further the cause of "Palestinians". This is most evident...blatantly so...in their dealings with Israel, having since 1948 given Israel every right to wipe them from the face of the earth and continues to do so. It is they who exploit and oppress, both the people of Israel, and other "Palestinians" who don't join in the fun.
"We support freedom and justice for the Palestinian people, and for all people...."
They've had it since Israel ceded the Gaza strip to them. They've chosen to abuse that gift by murdering Israeli citizens. This is just like communists speaking of what a paradise life will be under communism. It's just another lie they tell to win over the stupid. You've been roundly won over.
"We will not rest until Columbia divests from apartheid Israel, Palestinians are free, and liberation is achieved for all oppressed people worldwide..."
They're supposed to be at Columbia to learn and hopefully earn a degree, not stir up violent protests making demands for which they have no right to demand....particularly for the purpose of divesting from a mythical "apartheid" Israel which doesn't exist, for a "Palestinian" people who are free right now but choose to use their freedom to murder, rape and torture the people they hate for no good reason and on the total lie that they give a flying rat's ass about any actually oppressed people anywhere in the world.
"We know that antisemitism, Islamophobia, and racism—in particular racism against Arabs and Palestinians—are all cut from the same cloth:"
This is another of their diversionary lies. These three are NOT cut from the same cloth. Jew-hatred goes back centuries and islam has stoked it since their inception as a "religion". And there's no issue of racism with the push back against islamic Arabs or "Palestinians". It's push back against their Jew-hatred and Christian-hatred and basically their hatred of anyone who doesn't toe their despotic line. They pervert the response to their evil so as to make the righteous response the evil to fight, again making themselves out to be victims when they've invited all their suffering by their hate for others.
"Silencing Jewish voices for Palestine is arguably antisemitic: it conflates Judaism with Zionism and imposes an external definition on an entire group’s religion and culture."
Just another lie, for "Jewish voices for Palestine" are self-loathing Jews who don't realize their throats would be cut in Gaza just as any other Jewish throat would be. Only leftist Jews pretend there's a distinction between Judaism and Zionism. Leftists are stupid regardless of what race, ethnicity or religion they are. See: Dan Trabue.
More importantly "Jewish voices for Palestine" (if they're referring to "Jewish Voices For Peace") is indeed an anti-Semitic, suicidal organization which promotes the lie that Israel oppresses the people trying to wipe them off the face of the planet, that Israel is engaged in genocidal actions against a people whose population has grown exponentially since it was given the Gaza strip they don't deserve or for which they have no legitimate claim. In short, they're very, very stupid people who are possibly as evil as Hamas.
"The University ignores, misreports, and twists the reality of the brutality unfolding in Gaza while erasing Jewish voices from the Palestinian liberation movement."
This is still another lie, as the university sought to quell the Jew-hating rhetoric and behavior of assholes like CUAD. And of course, the brutality "unfolding" in Gaza is the result of Gazan hatred and their indulging that hatred with murders, torture and rapes of Israelis. Honest people know this. Stupid people believe CUAD.
April 13, 2025 at 4:01 AM
"As you can see from CHAD'S own words from the link you cited, CUAD stands against antisemitism and colonialism and oppression."
As I can see from CUAD's own words, they pretend they're opposed to Jew-hatred while they lie about Israel and the reasons anyone suffers in Gaza. There's no "colonialism" at play in that situation at all, except the intention to wipe out all the Jews "from the river to the sea" in order to take control of the entirety of Israel/Judea for their own. Those opposed to anti-Semitism don't lie about these things. Thus, like you, they are totally anti-Semitic...Jew-haters.
"Good things to stand against, obviously, and a clear rejection of your false claims of antisemitism. "
Let's see...is this Dan Trabue the stupid, or Dan Trabue the liar? I offered no "claim". I presented truth and just the two links I provided so far provide evidence of what that truth is.
"And they stand in support of the oppressed and marginalized, those innocent people harmed by Israel's bombing of Gaza which has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths perpetrated by Israel's military and leadership."
They support the true oppressors who are those who are attacking Israel continuously as they have since the 1940s, marginalize Israel in the worst possible ways: murder, rape, torture, etc. The fact that they aren't capable of inflicting the degree of murder and damage they'd like and suffer what they wish they could inflict as Israel defends itself and brings justice to them doesn't make them victims at all, except of their own hatred and stupidity and incompetence.
"Standing opposed to deadly policies of Israel IS simply not antisemitism, no matter how much you may call it that."
Yes it is in this case, because what they oppose is not Israel's policies, but Israel itself simply for being Israel. Thus, I call it that because that's what it is. Only a "progressive" liar would not. Honest people easily see the obvious. Find one and ask him.
"Words have meanings."
Very true, Private Obvious. Often a single word can have many meanings. More importantly, how words are assembled in a sentence can convey meanings apart from the individual words. And they can be used to convey false meanings, as is so common among your kind of people. "War against women", for example, instead of the more honest "We see nothing wrong with murdering our own children in utero". The manifesto to which I linked above is rife with this sort of perversion of words. But then, they're your kind of people. Liars.
"Rebuked by your own source."
Not even by pretending. You've only doubled down on their/your lies.
You're supposed to leave that kind of shit at your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
April 13, 2025 at 5:43 AM
"1. As a point of fact, YOU, Marshal, do not know an accurate death toll count. Do you admit that reality?"
That's funny. You think Israel's the oppressor and dare suggest you can speak on what reality is. You think there are multiple genders and dare suggest you can speak on what reality is. You think Trump's the worst president ever and dare suggest you can speak on what reality is.
As a point of fact, you pointy headed pervert, I never claimed to have an accurate death toll of Gazans of any kind. I stated the numbers from Gaza by which dumbasses cite as true are nowhere near true and horribly overinflated. What's more, they don't account for how many of the dead were killed by their own. The islamist Jew-haters have always lied about such things as it's part of the lie that they are the oppressed, bullied by the horrible Israelis. That shit is only suitable for publication at your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
"2. Therefore, YOU do not know if they are inflating the death toll. Because, of course, if you don't have any accurate account, then you simply don't know if their account is inflated."
I don't have to "know" if they're admitting it. I don't need accurate numbers at all if they admit to having inflated the numbers, which is the only thing I said. I said, the deaths in Gaza are over inflated.
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-names-removed-from-official-gaza-death-list-13341928
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/04/washington_post_falls_for_terrorist_propaganda_again.html
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/7168?disposition=inline
"3. What CUAD is most likely doing, is reporting the numbers we had available. There's nothing wrong or false about that."
What they're doing then, is just taking the word of known liars and repeating them as believable information. What they're most likely doing is ignoring the reason there are so many Gazan deaths at all, because the intention is to portray Israel in the worst light possible to distract from their own evil. What matters far more than how many deaths occur in Gaza is that they are the fault of the Gazans alone, regardless of the source of the bullets and bombs. But they lie about why people are dying in Gaza because they're anti-Semitic.
"4. While it's possible the Gazan authorities were estimating on the high end (POSSIBLE, not a given)," [not "possible". a fact.] "we know from multiple sources that there have been thousands of men women and children killed. If the number turns out to be 32,000 rather than 40,000, the point remains valid: there ARE innocent people being killed and maimed, and in very high numbers."
BECAUSE OF THE GAZANS...NOT BECAUSE OF ISRAEL. Deny this fact all you like won't make it go away. Don't take off on the death count. The actual numbers don't matter as much as the fact that they are inaccurate so that the lie is more easily pushed, and that all deaths are because of Gazans and how they wage their war of terror on better people.
" Gazans who engage in killing innocent people are responsible for those deaths and should be held accountable. Israelis who kill innocent people are responsible for those deaths."
Attempts to inject any form of moral equivalency is shit for your Blog of Lies and Perversions. Gazans are all about killing, torturing and raping innocent people (which includes IDF soldiers, since they're acting defensively and always at great risk to themselves). Non-combatants of Gaza which die as a result of IDF response to Gazan atrocities are deaths by Gazan hands.
"It doesn't matter if you want to be one-sided about it, each person is accountable for their own atrocities."
There is only one side of this issue. If Gazans stop trying to murder Israelis, there would be no war and no reprisals by the IDF. It's that fucking simple. The problem with it is then the Gazans couldn't blame Israel anymore for their self-inflicted sorry state. It would expose them as the true Jew-hating death merchants they are. When have they ever laid down their arms and NOT lobbed rockets into Israel's civilian population? Never. Other than the fact that Gaza and the West Bank are all Israeli/Judean territory, Israel has no reason to war with these assholes you defend. They've ceded that territory, which was a bad idea despite the good intentions behind doing so.
Harm done to anyone by Israel reprisals do not constitute "atrocities", even collateral deaths, because Israel can only do so much to prevent non-combatant deaths (hard to do when uniforms aren't required by the Gazans), while Gazans constantly target civilians. So don't throw around the word "atrocities" as if they're actually being committed by Israel. That shit is for your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
Marshal...
"There is only one side of this issue."
Well, at least acknowledging this is your belief is the first step to growing towards adult level thinking.
Of course, rational adults know that there are always multiple sides to any issue. It's not like Hamas violence springs from nowhere. Israel and Palestine have killed each other back and forth for decades. One atrocity followed by another atrocity.
Hamas (and other Palestinians) have caused great harm in unjust attacks against innocent Israelis and they were wrong. Israel has responded in kind and they were wrong.
Rational, moral adults must need begin by acknowledging some basic human rights accorded to all humans.
Children and other innocent bystanders should not be deliberately harmed by violent actors, even if the violent actors are responding to violent attacks against them. An eye for an eye just leaves the world blind, as wise folk have noted.
Violence spiraling down into more mindless violence is a fool's errand.
And by acknowledging you only see one side, that's a start. The next step is to recognize why it's a shallow and irrational and frankly non-factual way of thinking.
Dan
The various sides of the story as recognized by historians and just, you know, reality and stuff...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-44124396.amp
Free yourself, Marshal. Read!
Dan
Let me ask it this way, Marshal: the pervert prince is actively deporting people without providing due process. No charges, no proof of wrongdoing, just an empty and unsupported claim that they're "bad people." They've even acknowledged that at least some of these men, women and children (a child was just abducted in our hometown this week!) were mistaken kidnappings by ICE.
THE Supreme Court has told the felon to return the abducted who ice deported by mistake and he just flatly refused. Which is a constitutional crisis, by definition, by the way.
YOU report being fine with this. But think about the principle being established. Will you be fine with it when the next president decides to ship the felon off to a torture chamber in El Salvador, with NO due process? What about when it's your family members being kidnapped, imprisoned and deported with no due process. Are you fine with that?
Dan
Since this is not a criminal proceeding, conviction is not an option unless it becomes one.
Do you and they stand against all colonialism and oppression?
1. I've posted multiple links attesting to the fact that the "death tolls" reported by Hamas are full of fiction.
2. See above.
3. Then they're reporting false numbers and should revise or correct their statements.
4. Again, we now know that the death toll numbers are significantly inflated and include numerous people who died of natural causes or before 10/7. We also know that at least 72% of those who've died are military aged males.
4. (second 4) The death tolls in Gaza are far less than what international law considers an unacceptable civilian death toll. Again, I've posted bout this numerous times.
Interesting time to get serious about individual responsibility.
If A engages in an action that is guaranteed to elicit a negative response from B, then how is A not responsible for something that is entirely predictable. When A engages in this action with the intent of provoking B, then obviously A is responsible for the results of their action.
Given the Xenophobia of most Muslim nations, along with their centuries long tradition of conquest/colonization and oppression, it seems strange that Dan sides with the xenophobic, oppressive, colonizers on this one.
It normally would seem strange for someone to comment or take up a position on that about which one has no knowledge or understanding. But without justification, Dan has chosen to ignore the centuries long imperialism and colonization of islam to pretend Israel defending itself against relentless attacks on its citizenry is indicates they are colonialists.
But what we really know is that Dan is a liar, and he and liars like the Gazans stick together.
Yeah, anyone who rails against xenophobia, colonialism, and conquest, had no credibility if they don't acknowledge that Islam is the primary practitioner of those things over the last couple of hundred years. Oh, and they're the biggest slave holding countries as well. They also condone (not as broadly) cousin marriage, marriage to girls of single digit age, rape of kaffirs, and death to gays. Both otherwise, they're awesome.
I can't speak for Art, but I can definitely see two sides.
One side is a multicultural "democracy" where all citizens have equal rights, where agriculture, industry, and scientific innovation flourish. Free speech, freedom of religion, gay rights, and all the rest.
The other side has been dedicated since 1948 to the complete and utter destruction of Israel, and the extermination of the Jews. They've taken billions of "humanitarian aid" and used to to build an infrastructure with only one goal, the destruction of Israel. They are prevented fro entering Egypt by a wall that makes the US border look unprotected, and not wanted in any Arab state as anything but refugees in concentration camps. No freedom of religion (death to apostates), no equal citizenship for minorities, death to gays.
You're right, there are two sides. One sounds like absolutely terrible neighbors.
I can summarize the conflict very simply, without reading anything.
1. Palestine as an independent, self governing, national or ethnic identity has never existed. It was at best a province of various empires.
2. In 1948 the UN proposed a two state solution (like the left always whines about). Israel got the smaller portion, did not control Jerusalem, and the Western powers did nothing to help while helping the Arabs.
3. The Arabs refused the two state solution (the first of at least 10 times they've done so) assembled an army of vastly superior size and quality of armaments and brutally attacked Israel on day one of it's existence.
4. Israel kicked their combined asses. Outnumbered something like 13:1, underfunded and with the West only prepared to reenact Dunkirk, they beat the Arabs even with the deck stacked against them.
5. They did it two more times, all the while asking for a lasting peace. As a consequence of these defensive wars, Israel did end up with some relatively small but strategically important p;pieces of land.
6. The Arab nations put the "refugees" (who could have stayed and become Israeli citizens) in concentration camps, denied them citizenship, and fomented unrest which they turned into the terrorist groups we know today.
7. The Arabs decided that terrorism was the best way to eliminate Israel.
8. Western leftists bought the narrative that the "palestinians" were somehow being oppressed by tiny Israel, while being surrounded by Muslim countries (which were conquered and colonized), who refuse them entrance. While ignoring the colonization of Islam, the oppression of non Muslims, the terrorism, and the lack of freedoms in the countries conquered by Islam.
Y'all keep saying things like this...
"Palestine as an independent, self governing, national or ethnic identity has never existed."
You know, I guess, that Israel as a nation hadn't existed for around 2 millenia prior to their moving back en masses to the region around 1900?
Does not existing as a nation-state mean that people in a region have no rights?
Dan
"It's not like Hamas violence springs from nowhere."
You're right about that, at least. It springs from their unequivocal hatred of Jews which is compelled by their "RoP". All the suffering of both sides is a direct consequence of that.
"Israel and Palestine have killed each other back and forth for decades."
This is false. The Gazans have been murdering. The Israelis have been defending themselves against it. Thus, to regard each as equally guilty of the unjust taking of life is a lie intentionally told. That's so you.
"One atrocity followed by another atrocity."
Gazans murdering Jews is atrocity. Jews defending against murdering Gazans is not. Ever. Regardless of the specifics of how any Gazans might find themselves dead.
"Hamas (and other Palestinians) have caused great harm in unjust attacks against innocent Israelis and they were wrong. Israel has responded in kind and they were wrong."
ALL Gazan attacks on Israel have been unjust expressions of their vile and unjustified hatred of Jews. It's not merely wrong. It's abject and unmistakable evil.
Israel has most certainly NOT responded "in kind" you lying son-of-a-bitch. This isn't your Blog of Lies and Perversions. Stow that shit over there and make no such claims without supporting them with actual, unassailable evidence.
"Rational, moral adults must need begin by acknowledging some basic human rights accorded to all humans."
You suggest neither rationality nor moral character by daring to suggest there's some equivalency between the two peoples. Worse, you focus on the one nation of the two where "basic human rights" are indeed afforded to all, while lying about Gazans being denied them by Israel. If anyone's denying the "basic human rights" of Gazans, it's the Gazans themselves doing the denying.
"Children and other innocent bystanders should not be deliberately harmed by violent actors, even if the violent actors are responding to violent attacks against them."
Again you pretend you're at your own Blog of Lies and Perversions. Israel does NOT target or deliberately harm innocent people. They risk their own lives to avoid even accidentally harming them. If the Gazans wish to hide from behind non-combatant Gazans...which they do as Standard Operating Procedure knowing dumbfuck liars like you exist in the western world to defend their doing so...any "innocent" non-combatants harmed in the justified response of Israel are Gazan victims of evil, not victims of Israelis response, you lying son-of-a-bitch.
"Violence spiraling down into more mindless violence is a fool's errand."
As a fool yourself, it's clear you don't know what foolishness looks like. There's no "spiraling down" here. There's only constant attempts to murder Jews and the Jews righteous attempts to put an end to it once and for all (a tall task given how the vast majority of islam hates Jews). Talk to the Gazans, moron. Start with all the dumbass, Jew-hating protesters at college campuses led by assholes like CUAD and tell them the truth: peace comes when Gazans stop hating and trying to murder Jews. Period. Full fucking stop. End of story.
"And by acknowledging you only see one side, that's a start. The next step is to recognize why it's a shallow and irrational and frankly non-factual way of thinking."
The "one side" to which I refer has been ably explained by Craig in his comment above. More succinctly it is this: There is only one side to this issue which is that the Gazans are hate-filled murderers of Jews and the Jews are forced to defend themselves against them. There's no other point of importance or significance over which any honest person need waste their time. The truth just expressed is neither shallow, irrational nor "non-factual" as it is the only fact which matters before actual adults can dare opine on the problem. The problem is identified. You ignore it because you're a Jew-hater, too.
I've done lots of reading on this conflict. Both of your suspect links state that Arabs have a claim to the land in the region known as "Israel/Judea". This not true. They've never had a claim to it. And as Craig notes in his comment above, there certainly was never any "Palestinian" people under Jew-haters needed to create one in order to pretend they were there first.
You need to read better, more even-handed histories, gentlemen.
Try this one from an actual historian...
“Israel” and “Palestine.” One land, two names. Both Jews and Arabs have claimed it as theirs alone. From a purely historical perspective, “Israel” predates “Palestine” by more than a millennium. But, with the Jewish people then dispersed from their homeland, “Palestine” became home to a substantial Arab population, again for more than a millennium. From a perspective of justice and equity, both peoples have a legitimate claim to the land...
https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/israel-and-palestine-where-should-history-begin-and-should-it-matter/
Marshal...
"They've never had a claim to it."
You think that, if a people once lived in an area thousands of years ago, that their ancestors have legal rights to reclaim that area thousands of years later?
Then you support black South Africans in reclaiming land taken over by white Afrikaaners? Good on you.
And I suppose you'll want to give your house back to the native peoples who lived in that area just a few hundred years ago?
I don't think you will agree with that.
Regardless if you do or don't, land doesn't just become the property of a people because maybe a few thousand years ago, their ancestors maybe used to live in the area.
Dan
Craig...
"Brave Little Israel, outnumbered a bajillion to one..."
Not sure this is factual...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
Dan
Craig...
"The Arab nations put the "refugees" (who could have stayed and become Israeli citizens)..."
Real historians...
"The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba. Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning."
As noted, these are a people who've been back and forth killing each other. Historians, progressives and rational-minded people acknowledge that reality. There is blood on the hands of both sides. Adults don't get to just pick a side and pretend their side is sweet as a daisy while the other sides are just monsters.
That's gradeschool silliness.
Dan
Here is a Baptist report with a more rational and even-handed take on the topic...
https://baptistnews.com/article/in-this-war-there-are-no-good-guys/
Dan
Marshal...
"I've done lots of reading on this conflict. Both of your suspect links state that Arabs have a claim to the land in the region known as "Israel/Judea". This not true. They've never had a claim to it. "
1. What have you read? All pro-Israel sources? Any actual unbiased histories?
2. Who says Arabs/Palestinians have never had any claim on the land? Israeli sources?
3. What defines a claim on the land? Do you think the native peoples here or in S Africa had no claims to the land because they weren't civilized nation states you approve of?
Dan
"Let me ask it this way, Marshal: the pervert prince is actively deporting people without providing due process."
Joe Biden's not president anymore, so instead of perverts and perversions, we have a president who knows what he's doing. Given the people now being deported, there is no more wrongdoing required than the fact that they came here illegally. ICE is not "kidnapping" anyone. That's what human traffickers and Gazans do. ICE is taking into custody those who entered illegally or overstayed their visas, and I believe they're still focused on the Gazan-level assholes among them before they start in on less dangerous assholes who shouldn't be here. And of course, if any of the assholes have spouses and children here illegally, they should be sent packing as well.
"THE Supreme Court has told the felon to return the abducted who ice deported by mistake and he just flatly refused. Which is a constitutional crisis, by definition, by the way."
Our wrongfully convicted president is acting on his Constitutional authority under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, as these aliens in particular are considered dangerous...because they are. The true "constitutional crisis" is the forum shopping by leftist assholes for left asshole judges who will call the court to order already having determined they will find Trump in the wrong...as they did to "convict" him of 34 made-up felonies. Judges, particularly those assholes who've been seeking to overturn Trump's plenary power on this issue, are way the hell out of their proper lane. Thus, Trump can rightly refuse since the judges in question have no authority to dictate to Trump as they have, that he must not only cease doing his job, but cease doing the job Americans elected him to do.
"YOU report being fine with this."
Deporting illegals? Of course I'm fine with it. Seeing the worst of them shipped to a max security prison built with the worst in mind? Even more so. The principle being established already was in American immigration law. Come illegally and get sent home. It's nothing new.
"Will you be fine with it when the next president decides to ship the felon off to a torture chamber in El Salvador, with NO due process?"
What felon? There's no basis for shipping anyone anywhere who hasn't actually committed a crime. And if as the pervert you are you're referring to Trump as the felon in question, as a citizen he has a right to address the mockery of justice which allows assholes like you to refer to him as a felon, and there would be no way the next president (who is more likely to be a Republican, anyway) could make such a decision under US law.
"What about when it's your family members being kidnapped, imprisoned and deported with no due process. Are you fine with that?"
A bullshit question by a bullshit pervert. The likelihood of such a thing happening is far, FAR more likely under one of your presidential choices as recent history provides evidence for that fact. The abuse of the legal system to attack political opponents has already taken place because of assholes like you. I don't expect your kind will not do it again whenever they believe they can profit by doing so. It's how your kind rolls.
Dan,
1. What have you read? All Jew-hating sources? Any actual unbiased histories? How do you determine any of that which you've read (if anything you've actually studied) happen to be unbiased?
2. Who says Arabs/"Palestinians" have claim on the land? Jew-hating sources?
What you ignore is what your own sources say, which is that the Jews were "displaced". They didn't migrate away. They didn't leave believing Arabs would be wiped out by allies so they could come back and take what land is now free because the Arabs who owned it are dead. If there's anyone with a true right of return, it's the Jews to the land God gave them. Did God give your little hovel in Louisville? Was it promised to you by Him?
Anyway, all this is off topic. The topic is that asshole Khalil coming to our country and believing he can instigate against our universities on behalf of murderers against our great ally, democratic state of Israel. He cannot and his removal has been ruled appropriate.
1. We see that you didn't answer. My answer is clear, I read history from historians. You have no rational adult grounds to guess the historians I've read are, ahem, "Jew-hating." And, of course, some of the historians and scholars that I've read have been Jewish.
Why do you discuss things like an eight year old wannabe bully with no rational gravitas or adult demeanor? Just because your pervert is an idiot who talks like a spoiled and uninformed child doesn't mean you should.
2. We see you didn't answer.
3. We see you didn't answer.
"If there's anyone with a true right of return, it's the Jews to the land God gave them."
Why? You all just childishly insisting you should get to claim whatever you want is not adult conversation, son.
Dan
Marshal...
"Khalil coming to our country and believing he can instigate against our universities on behalf of murderers ..."
And the fact that you have ZERO support for this gossip and dangerous slander doesn't bother your hardened heart and feckless brain one bit indicts your sin-sick soul.
You're broken, Marshal, and you're too paralyzed bt cowardice and ignorance to even recognize it.
Open your eyes and brain or just get out of the way so morally rational adults can get busy trying to save our nation from your fascist and his allies.
Dan
No, although I appreciate your ignorance or obtuseness.
The narrative being sold is that the land currently occupied by Israel was "originally" the nation of "palestine", which is absurd. There never was a nation of "palestine", hence the notion of a "palestinian" makes no sense. Obviously Israel has an claim to the land that goes back (as you note) well over 2000 years. The point if this is twofold.
1. To point out your ignorance of the history, and commitment to the false narrative.
2. To point out the Truth of "palestine".
Maybe it's you that need to read better, more even handed history.
As you note, Israel predates "palestine" by thousands of years. The difference between them being that Israel was an independent, self governing, national entity, while "palestine" was merely a name that Rome invented for one of their provinces.
The Jewish people were forcibly disbursed, not by choice. Yet there have always been Jews on the land which became modern Israel in 1948. There were never "palestinians" living in a self governing nation of "palestine". Merely Arabs living under various empires until 1948. Prior to the British the area containing the province of Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Turks from 1516-1917. While, as you source notes, their were Arabs there (as well as Jews) they were subjects of the Ottomans, not "palestinaians".
The Brits carved up the Middle East inventing countries and borders pretty much out of thin air. The Arabs living in Ottoman palestine had plenty of invented Arab nations to live in.
From a perspective of "justice and equality" the "palestinains" have no serious claim to the land as they were never more that subjects of one of the empires that controlled the land. Of course, from a perspective of "justice and equality" the "palestinians" had the opportunity for their own country on the land after the British left. The British and the UN proposed a two state solution, and the Arabs said no, most violently.
It's cute that Dan blindly cites Wiki as if it's an actual scholarly, unbiased, source.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war
https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2018/9/24/weakness-into-strength-overcoming-strategic-deficits-in-the-1948-israeli-war-for-independence
The fact remains that at the moment of the Arab attack; Israel was surrounded, outnumbered, denied any strategic advantages, forced to rely in cast off remnants from WW2 for arms, and was fighting for their existence.
The Israeli advantages were few. They had no choice, "en brera" I believe was one motto. They had more cohesion. The Arabs, despite their numerical advantages, made military blunders that allowed Israel the opportunity to bring in reinforcements and resupply to some degree. All of the Arab nations started with large standing, professional, militaries as with a vast numerical superiority. They planned on a battle of attrition, Israel did not accommodate them.
None of this really matters though. We know for a fact that the Arab goal was the complete extermination of Israel, and that the Arabs rejected (violently) the very notion of a Jewish state. Unsurprisingly, the Arabs have been rejecting two state offers ever since 1948.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FImage%3A1948_arab_israeli_war_-_May15-June10.jpg&psig=AOvVaw1cdrdNCifceK0C_8-yJy7h&ust=1744898549793000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCMDjjuXb3IwDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
I know that, as a pacifist, you probably are ignorant of things like military strategy and the like. Yet surely you can see how being surrounded by enemies, who simultaneously attack, with professional standing armies, backed by more than 5 countries, would place Israel at a significant tactical and strategic disadvantage.
The Nakba is "palestinian" propaganda. Prior to the official war in 1948 there were clashes instigated from both sides. Given that Israel didn't have a "military force" in any conventional sense (they had several militias), it's a bit one sided to pretend that this wasn't a simmering conflict with actions on both sides.
Yet, we know that the Arabs who remained in Israel became citizens and fully participate in Israeli life, while those who left (lured by promises of plunder after the Arabs won) ended up in camps and were not absorbed into the surrounding countries.
Adults also don't get to make shit up and pretend that their made up shit represents reality.
Well that's not a real, actual, serious, journalistic outlet, I guess we can ignore this.
Look, war is ugly. "There is a reason war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it.". I get that, terrible things happen in wars, yet some things are worth fighting for, or fighting against.
In this case, there is one inescapable fact. Israel was fully prepared to abide by the UN partition plan and to live in peace with their Arab neighbors. They never got the chance.
When looking at wars, one thing must be considered. "Who started the war?" In the case of the Arab/Israeli conflict, it is abundantly clear that the Arabs started the war with the express intent of exterminating the Jewish State from existing. To lose sight of that, gives the aggressors legitimacy they do not deserve.
If (B)Art is walking down the street minding his own business and living at peace with those around him and is suddenly attacked by 5 guys intent on killing him, is (B)Art justified in protecting himself? Is he bound by some bizarre expectation to simply, passively, allow them to kill him? Can he not fight back with every means in his possession? When the cops show up are they not going to treat (B)Art differently than his attackers?
To the extent that I've followed Dan down his rabbit hole of ignorance and pro Arab propaganda, I apologize for straying from the topic. However, since the goal of every Arab organization and country since 1948 is the total destruction of Israel, it could be argued that making that link is critical to discussing Khalil and what he's supporting.
That Dan's finally learned how to Google sources that tickle his fancy and support his pro Hamas narrative shouldn't be surprising. That he ignores the grains of Truth in those sources, in favor of the narrative isn't surprising at all.
That he somehow thinks that Israel in 1948 (when there were still embargoes on immigration and arms) was militarily equal to or superior to 5 surrounding nations with large standing armies is just unfathomable.
By the time of the '67 War, Israel absolutely had a qualitative military advantage. But that advantage was at least as much organizational and strategic, than numerical or armaments. The problem in all of this is that the Arabs had all of the military advantages in 1948 but squandered them through bad leadership. Israel had all of the disadvantages, but overcame them because of desperation, organization, and leadership.
1. I tend to read histories, and am smart enough to know that unbiased history is an impossibility.
2. The fact that there was never, between the conquest of Israel in 722 and 1948, been an Arab state of "palestine" on the land i question. Rome named that province Falastin, which later morphed into Palestine. But that area was under the control of various empires from 722-1948, for all intents and purposes. Hell the Italians and the Turks have a better claim to the land than the "palestinians".
FYI, how productive was the land 1516 and 1917? Did the Ottomans have the kind of agricultural success that Israelis have had? Was there anything of consequence in that land between 1516-1950?
3. The problem with this question is that it ignores the reality that for the vast majority of human history conquest was the norm. To retroactively apply 21st century liberal dogma to thousands of years of History is simply absurd. Do a few nomadic tribes really have a significant claim to a piece of land they they wandered across at open point in history?
In the case of South Africa do we say that the San or Xhosa are the rightful inhabitants, or do we give that the the Zulu who's brutality in conquest was significant?
Like it or not, history builds on itself and playing these idiotic games of trying to justify the claim of one nomadic tribe (thousands of years ago) to a specific piece of land is a foolish waste of time.
Just for grins, what about Spain? Muslims still claim Spain as Muslim territory after the Muslim conquerors were expelled. Name one Muslim country (except perhaps Arabia) which was not made Muslim by conquest.
If you want to play these games and retroactively apply 21st century liberal standards to the past, at least be consistent.
Marshal..
"The topic is that asshole Khalil coming to our country and believing he can instigate against our universities on behalf of murderers..."
But the "topic" is based on lies and slander.
Thou shalt not bear false witness...
Slanderers and gossips are not part of the realm of God...
When you DON'T welcome the stranger, you don't welcome me...
You should always welcome the immigrants, for you were an immigrant once...
You ignore the obvious and clear and direct teachings in the Bible to embrace slanderous, dangerous, stupidly false claims because a pervert conman told you to be fearful of the immigrants and you cowardly pass on the slander bringing shame to you and your family and maybe ruin and a hedonistic hell to your country run by sexual predators and billionaires who don't give a damned about you but are glad to prey on your cowardice and ignorance to gain more power and wealth.
Open your eyes.
There is NO proof of these false claims you pass on. You're a gossip and fool in service to a predator and an idiot con man.
Repent.
Dan
Correct, Hamas violence springs almost entirely from their religion, hatred for Jews, and mistreatment by their fellow Arabs.
The false equivalence between the attacker and defender is disgusting.
Well, let's start the "human rights" discussion with comparing how Israel handles "human rights" compared to how Hamas, and the Muslim nations surrounding Israel handle "human rights".
Because Isreal should refrain from punishing the Hamas terrorists who attack their innocent civilians, and not bother to try to get the hostages Hamas took illegally released. Let's compare conditions in an Israeli prison as opposed to where Hamas is keeping their hostages.
The restraint of Israel in it's protection of noncombatants (assuming that their are any, and Hamas use of children and the elderly to hide behind) is beyond any expectation codified in international law.
He's right about violence, maybe it's time for Hamas and the rest of the Islamic terrorist groups to stop their reign of terror, release their hostages, and live in peace. Israel has made offer after offer that have been rejected, they gave Gaza away, and look what it's inhabitants have turned it into.
Again with the false equivalence. Maybe it;s Dan's irrational commitment to strict pacifism that leads him to conclude that Israel should just sit there and peacefully tolerate unguided rockets, VBIEDS, suicide bombers, and other attacks on innocent civilians.
That Dan defends the side which developed the concept of strapping explosives to women and children to use to spread terror among civilians is quite the turn around.
Information from Israeli historian, Benny Morris, on the 1948 War. His sympathies are with Israel, but still, he is more even-handed in assessing the long conflict. He notes that the notion of Israel being a David standing against a vastly larger Goliath is just not historically valid or supported.
https://origins.osu.edu/review/battle-1948
This gets back to the obvious point that there are generally multiple sides to any story. That's especially true here, where for decades, both sides have committed atrocities back and forth.
The suggestion of only one "good side" is just childish and historically inept.
Dan
1. First, I'm not required to list all I've ever read, nor am I required to keep a running list in the event that some Jew-hating fake Christian ask the question. Secondly, you insist you read history from historians implying I don't or haven't. So that claim is worthless. Thirdly, you have no rational adult grounds to guess the historians I've read are, ahem, "pro-Israel sources" and "biased histories".
"Why do you discuss things like an eight year old wannabe bully with no rational gravitas or adult demeanor?"
I asked the same questions you did of me, yet you dare accuse me. Typical and so blatantly an example of how your kind projects your own sins onto your opponents. Thanks for the validation of my low opinion of you.
"Just because your pervert is an idiot who talks like a spoiled and uninformed child doesn't mean you should."
I don't have a "pervert", though you're welcome to continue visiting here. Once again, nice of you to indict yourself by attacking me for turning your own childish questions back at you. You want to keep playing this game, or do you want to engage like the adult you unjustly believe yourself to be?
"2. Who says Arabs/Palestinians have never had any claim on the land? Israeli sources?"
History does. I would again point to the fact that there's no such thing as a "Palestine", but only those who named themselves that so as to assert a claim they never had at the expense of those whose claim is ancient and bestowed upon them by God. You remember God, don't you? He's the Supreme Being you pretend to revere while you crap on His Will. I would also point as well to the fact that while the Jew-haters pretend they were driven off, the truth is they abandoned their land in hopes the Jews would be wiped out. As such, since they abandoned the land, they have no further claim to it. How does one have a right of return to land they've abandoned, particularly with the evil intent the "pallies" had in doing so?
"3. What defines a claim on the land?"
It's an irrelevant question here given the "pallies" have no claim to the land in question. But as possession is a part of the concept, they abandoned the land in '48, thereby giving up possession and thus have no claim to it. Israel's biggest mistake was gifting the Gaza strip to those who seek to annihilate them. No rational person regards that as just possession by the "pallies". Only assholes like you do.
"If there's anyone with a true right of return, it's the Jews to the land God gave them."
"Why? You all just childishly insisting you should get to claim whatever you want is not adult conversation, son."
Again, pervert, you're insulting us for doing what you're doing, albeit with no justification. As the Jews were "dispersed" (which implies something done to them, as opposed to the abandonment of the "pallies"), they clearly are justified in seeking to recover that from which they were dispersed.
Are you truly suggesting that Khalil isn't an instigator of all the strife which plagued Columbia university? It's truly world-class lying on your part to even suggest such a thing! The manifesto to which I linked is from the organization of which he is regarded as a leader, and you're going to sit their in your panties and dare suggest I'm guilty of slander and gossip? You're a liar and a defender of evil. This isn't your Blog of Lies and Perversions, girl. This is a blog where truth, facts and evidence have a home. You're not moral, you're not rational, you're not an adult and you're no Christian. Your kind isn't saving our nation. Your kind is destroying it. You've no room to condescend to anyone here.
The topic is based on facts and evidence, beginning with the links I've provided which support the premise about which this post presents. "Nyuh uh" doesn't rebuke a damned thing. There's no gossip or slander except that which you've brought to the table regarding me, the sources I use and the president of this nation who, together with Americans like myself, work in service to the nation and its people.
You're a liar, as Trump has never told anyone to be fearful of immigrants (who are people who came here according to our laws, rather than by ignoring them). Your perversion of Scripture to advance your marxist bullshit doesn't fly here, as nowhere in Scripture are we encouraged to abide lawbreakers, which illegal aliens are. Assholes like you put Americans at risk, as has been documented many times over the past four years you marxist asshole. YOU are a danger to my fellow Americans. Trump is not. YOU are a pervert by your love of sexual perversion and those who indulge in it. Trump is not. YOU are among the truly conned by your Father of Lies. I am not.
Take your bullshit back to your Blog of Lies and Perversions and leave it there. This blog is for honest and truthful discourse. Not the vile hate and evil you spew.
Does Dan have Multiple Personality Disorder, a mouse in his pocket, or they/them pronouns? What is with the bullshit "we" crap.
The "only one good side" is factual and supported by the simple truth that if the Gazans stop trying to murder all the Israelis, there'd be no conflict. Try and pretend this isn't true. Try to prove that the Gazans were just sitting there minding their own business when all of sudden, without warning or provocation, the Israelis began attacking Gaza. If you can't do this...and you can't because it is the complete and utter opposite of what is true...then you can flip it and see if it is NOT true that the scenario in reverse is accurate history. Israel didn't start this thing. Israel has been the "good side" in trying to actually bring about true peace between them. Israel doesn't have a religion which calls for the destruction of anyone who doesn't convert to it, nor does it seek to destroy a particular people, even the Gazans.
And whatever "atrocity" you can find from Israel since 1948, to pretend it is common practice is also a lie. It's rare at best. At the same time, "atrocity" is S.O.P. for your Gazans and always has been.
The suggestion that there is no good side, or that there is some equivalency between the two sides is not just childish, it's intentionally lying, which is how you roll. There's no "history" to support it.
I get it, I really do get it, you're so obsessed with pretending that the Arab League (5+ nations) who brutally attacked Israel on the very day the UN partition ended did not have every advantage possible at the outset is simply absurd. Israel was literally prevented by the British from importing people or munitions until the day of the turn over. The total population of the Arab League countries at the time was @6,000,000, while Israel was less than 1,000,000. The Soviets were supplying that Arabs with state of the art equipment, Israel was scrounging BF109's from WW2 surplus and random small arms from the black market.
If you want to quibble about the ratio of forces, say that it was 2:1 instead of 10:1, whatever. But to pretend that the Israeli forces were even close to on par in size and equipment to the Arabs is nuts. To ignore the British giving the Arabs every possible tactical advantage is to ignore reality.
Again, as a pacifist this probably won't mean anything to you, Israel was fighting a 3 front war, while the each Arab army was limited to one front. As we saw in WW2 fighting on multiple fronts is exponentially harder than fighting on one front.
That Israel won all three wars, let alone managed to slightly increase their territory is significant.
It's interesting that Dan is arguing that the "side" that engaged in an unprovoked attack, with superior numbers and better equipment, and who engaged in this attack with the PUBLICLY EXPRESSED PURPOSE of killing EVERY SINGLE JEW in Israel was also a "good" side is beyond belief. That the civilized world stood by, for the most part, and was willing to allow this premeditated genocide is unconscionable. That Dan is arguing in favor if the side that wanted to engage in conquest/colonialism along with the genocide, just demonstrates the huge pile of bullshit that his moral code really is.
Like it or not, the side that was NOT engaging in premeditated genocide, conquest, and colonization is absolutely the "better" side.
Dan's choice to mine Google for some cherry picked sources that support his quest to demonstrate how sympathetic the side that was intent on conquest, colonization, and genocide, (with some rape and other atrocities thrown in like 10/7) goes against every bit of the moral high ground he used to pretend to occupy.
Some quick research shows that the Arabs had 80,000 troops in actual national armies or other organized units. With an unknown number of locals engaged in militias.
At the beginning of the war Israel had less than 30,000 men in their "military", a number which rose as untrained immigrants were able to get into Israel.
I'd say that a more than 2:1 ratio at the beginning of the war combined with better arms, better strategic positions, and not fighting a 3 front war indicates a significant advantage at the outset.
Part of the problem is likely comparing apples to apples. Israels troop strength included significantly more support troops than did the Arabs. As we've seen in Gaza, combined with the Muslim doctrine of lying to advance or protect the faith, I suspect that the Arabs under reported their numbers of troops, and over reported their casualties.
Let's not forget that many of the Arab leaders had strong ties to Hitler solely because of his attempts to genocide the Jews.
Marshal...
"Are you truly suggesting that Khalil isn't an instigator of all the strife which plagued Columbia university?"
? As the data (so far) is clear:
1. Mr Khalil participated in legal peaceful protests as within his legal rights in a nation that values free speech.
2. Mr Khalil engaged in NO actually antisemitic behavior. Period.
3. Mr Khalil stood up for the university divesting from Israel. Well within his rights, not a crime, not antisemitic.
THOSE are the known facts at this point, as all non-bigoted, rational observers know.
So, I don't know if you're calling, "expressing a rational moral opinion," if you're calling THAT, "strife," but those are the facts. If you aren't a cowardly, anti-human rights bigot, you should be able to see the facts for what they are.
We KNOW that these are the available facts because, if you had any evidence of violence or antisemitism, you'd have pointed to it.
This man has/deserves free speech in our nation because we are a nation that values free speech. Or at least most of us do, outside the sniveling cowards in maga world.
This man has/deserves due process in our nation because we are a nation that values due process and human rights. Or at least most of us do, outside the sniveling cowards in maga world.
Shame on you for your cowardly lies and slander.
Repent.
Dan
I've absolutely nothing for which I'm obliged to be ashamed as regards this issue and my justified position on Khalil. I don't see how standing up to criminal activity of any kind as the actions of "sniveling cowards", though you can't seem to find it in you do so yourself. No. Just as you regard sinful behaviors as morally benign, if not noble and good, so too do you regard criminal activity as "fighting oppression". You're a moron.
The violence wasn't Oct 7 severity, but how bad does it have to be at a university for you to acknowledge those protesting are Jew-hating scum...which include the execrable "Jewish Voices for Peace", who I believe was kicked off campus along with another group of morons. Buildings were vandalized and taken over, and Jewish students are terrorized.
But to say that Khalil wasn't involved in that sort of thing is a straight up lie:
https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2025/03/16/the-media-shameful-support-for-mahmoud-khalil-ignores-his-pro-hamas-advocacy-n4937964
https://www.timesofisrael.com/columbia-student-group-retracts-apology-of-member-who-said-zionists-deserve-to-die/
This isn't "guilt by association", as lefty assholes falsely claiming. He's a part of the group which is defending and celebrating the actions of Hamas, as my additional links reflect.
The punk deserves what his status as a non-citizen allows. He's in breach of those limitations. The due process he deserves is also based on his status as a non-citizen, and he's received it.
It is YOU who is the cowardly liar and slanderer. You're a pervert in so many ways.
I've also done a fair amount of reading on this conflict, and it really all boils down to one thing. The Arabs wanted the province of Palestine to become an Arab nation. The international community believed that the Jews deserved one Jewish nation, and made that happen. The Arab hatred for Jews resulted in a decision to invade the fledgling nation of Israel and to utterly destroy the country and exterminate the Jews.
That's the single most important thing to be straight on.
I do think that, because the Quran tells them that Islam is supposed to triumph and provide it's followers a paradise on earth. that the Arab nations are envious that Israel was able to create a modern state on a piece of land that was essentially barren under the Turks and British. That none of the surrounding nations have been able to duplicate Israels success might be a thorn in the side of those nations.
I have to note the "as far as I've seen" canard. The problem with this is that it seems unlikely that Dan ever looks very "far" to "see" anything that doesn't align with his preconceptions. If he chooses not to look, he obviously won't "see".
Craig...
"how sympathetic the side that was intent on conquest, colonization, and genocide, (with some rape and other atrocities thrown in like 10/7) goes against every bit of the moral high ground he used to pretend to occupy."
Are you saying that Arabs committed atrocities at a 10 for every 7 atrocities that Israel committed?? (IF the data is even accurate).
That helps your case, HOW?
It only makes my point. I'm NOT defending Arabs or Palestinians when they commit atrocities and I'm not condemning Jews who did nothing wrong.
I'm saying that morally rational people are opposed to ALL atrocities and don't give a pass to one side when they do it. As experts, scholars and historians point out, the more atrocities committed by both sides, the more impossible it becomes to find peaceful solutions.
I invite you all to join us (in the peace-loving world) and oppose ALL atrocities, no matter who commits them and stop being myopic, one-sided and rationally immature.
Dan
This is another distraction, Dan, and you damned well know it...not only from the topic of the post, but the tangential issue of Gazan barbarism. While I would never suggest there have never been any acts by Israelis I wouldn't call "atrocity", the fact of the matter is that "atrocity" is an intentional method of engagement by the one side who has no intention to cease committing atrocious acts of barbarism and savagery. "Atrocity" is not in any way any intention on the part of the Israeli gov't and its army. So, every attempt by you to suggest some sort of equivalency is an intentional lie and no one here is fooled by your feigned opposition to "atrocities" as if it means anything significant where death and destruction is part and parcel of the conflict. I do NOT oppose what YOU would regard as "atrocious" behavior toward the Gazans, given there would be no conflict if not for their islam-inspired hatred of the Jews.
So, as the Gazans intentionally lob missiles into Israel (as do the scum from the north) with the expressed purpose of murdering as many Jews as possible in order to drive them out of their GOD-GIVEN homeland, and as the vast majority of military actions against them by Israel are defensive or retribution for previous murderous assaults, you are now obliged to provide actual proof of Israeli "atrocities" that are not either. They must akin to the ACTUAL targeting of civilians, the constant assaults on the civilian populations rather than the collateral damaging resulting from attempting to kill scum who not just hide behind their own civilian population, but hope they die, too, so as to promote the lie dumbshits like you are so eager to promote as true...that Israel is the bad guy in this conflict.
Until you do, don't you EVER come here an spew that bullshit that Israel "targets" civilians in Gaza. Lie at your Blog of Lies and Perversions, but don't do it here.
As to "peaceful solutions", there is no evidence Gaza wants peace with Israel, so the problem is not one of how many atrocities either side might be committing, but the simply fact that Gazans are Jew-hating assholes like you. They don't want peace. They just want Israel to stop responding to their atrocities. Peace will only come about when the Gazans stop trying to murder Jews...when, as Golda Meir said, the come to love their children more than they hate the Jews. I don't see that happening any time soon, since their RoP mandates they hate and kill Jews, and they're more than happy to do so.
Thus, as you willfully ignore and deny these facts, you are indeed defending Jew-haters, particularly the Gazans and those who lie about the conflict between them and Israel as Khalil and his club of scum constantly do.
No you idiot, I'm suggesting that the actions of the terrorists on OCTOBER 7 indicate that it's likely that the Arabs would likely have raped Israelis had they accomplished their goal in 1948.
It helps my case by demonstrating that you're an idiot.
You're literally ignoring the literal beginning of the current Arab/Israel conflict. I'm going to repeat this until it sinks into your thick head.
The goal of the Arab League in 1948 (and continuing to today with groups like Hamas) is to wipe Israel off of the map, and kill every Jew in Israel. Conquest, colonization, and genocide, is what you're supporting by pretending like there is some moral equivalence between the two sides. You're pimpin' for the ones who's goal is genocide.
Pointing out the reality that the origin of this conflict is 100% because the side you're trying to make morally equivalent wanted to conquer and kill every Jew in Israel.
You siding with the aggressor instead of the victim of aggression, demonstrates the moral anarchy you falsely accuse others of.
I recognize that conquest, colonization, and genocide are bad for the intended victims. Unlike other instances of Muslim/Arab conquest, colonization, and genocide, Israel fought back and kicked Arab ass. Three times. Just like the Austrians, Poles, Lithuanians, and Holy Roman Empire stopped the Ottoman Turks from conquering, colonizing, and engaging in a genocide in Europe.
Seeing Dan trying to draw a false moral equivalence in this case is simply disgusting.
Art, If I remember correctly those who reppresent the "palestinian" side of things have rejected at least 12 legitimate, serious offers of peace with Israel. Israel has repeatedly offered to return various areas that the Arabs lost when they lost one of the wars of extermination they started, and those offers have all been rejected. Why, you might ask, because they want it all. They want Israel gone, and refuse to share under any agreement that leaves Israel still in existence.
Dan's trying to draw a moral equivalence between those who intend genocide, and those who wish to protect themselves from genocide.
The Jews learned one thing from Hitler. They learned that no one is going to protect them, that their only solution was to protect themselves. Which they've done rather well at.
"Jews as possible in order to drive them out of their GOD-GIVEN homeland,..."
There it is. Marshal can't explain away Israel's actual atrocities or acknowledge that there ARE multiple sides to this issue, so Marshal tries to invoke his pissant monster godling to say his godling gave the land to Israel, therefore, everyone should bow down to Marshall and his demon-god... well, bullshit. We don't accept YOU as a reliable witness to your pissant godling because your godling is a work of horror fiction. To hell with that attempt to abuse religion for your personal gradeschool, cowardly anti-human rights bigotries.
There are, of course, multiple sides to this complex scenario and the ONLY hope for peace lies in working for peace rather than extermination all dissenters.
Dan
I don't understand how anyone remotely familiar with the situation can dare suggest what Dan does and do so honestly. But then, Dan's perversion runs so deeply, one can't easily determine when we're dealing with ignorance, stupidity or his usual willful dishonesty. He's clearly a shill for a variety of evil and he certainly is here. I no longer care why or how he came to this level of degradation, but it's so blatantly obvious at this point as to be justly taken for granted. It's a given.
And speaking of Dan's degradation, this comment above illustrates it well. He has no real, legitimate defense of the Gazan agenda against the Jews, so he again craps on Scripture as if references to God giving the Tribes of Israel a homeland (flowing with milk and honey) is just some fairy tale when Jew haters like Dan need it to be. He regards Almighty God as a "pissant monster godling" when the truth Scripture reveals to us isn't convenient for his marxist, perv-loving sensibilities. What a sad and pathetic thing he is! When Dan doesn't like what Scripture says, it's "fiction", proving once again that Dan's claim of being a Christian is just one of the many lies he so routinely spews.
So...let's look at one of Dan's "proofs" he thinks supports his moral relativism of the conflict between Israel and the Gazans:
"The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba. Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 anhates the d 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning."
The above comes from Wikipedia, which is not at all a trustworthy source of info on issues of great importance. When I cite Wiki in blog and social media discussions, it's usually because of the ironic fun of citing a lefty site which conflicts with the position of the lefties with whom I'm engaged. Turns out it works well again here for that purpose.
Dan is eager to establish a moral equivalency between the scum and the Israelis. But the above citation fails in that the many links give a better understanding of what Dan stupidly believes scores a win for him.
The first problem is how long ago the actions he cites as evidence in support of his vile premise took place. But even then, they were still defensive in nature, as they were intended to address a constant problem facing the Jewish people of the region known as "Palestine", which was the constant attacks upon them by the Arabs in the area. But there were no organized Jewish army at the time. Most of the fighting was done my paramilitary/militia type units. They were separate units, mostly of a volunteer nature, beholden only to the settlements they formed to defend. Some got really aggressive, but even that was in response to Arab (muslim) aggression. Dan would have us believe that Jews just woke up one day and decided to attack non-Jews. That's the polar opposite of the truth Dan hasn't the integrity to concede.
What's more, during that time there developed the concept of "Havlagah" to guide their actions as they defended themselves from Arab barbarism. They still act on that principle today. And back then it was in response to actions taken by some of these paramilitary units which offended the Jews themselves. We're not seeing that from the Gazans, the Iranian, Hezb'allah and all the other Muslim Brotherhood-type scum which Dan defends as "self-determining" innocents.
And while Dan blasphemes against the one True God he cites(exploits) when he seeks to posture as a "good man", the reality is that this conflict is not complex in any way. The conflict ends when the Gazans lay down their arms and seek true brotherhood with those outside the Strip.
In addition, Dan tries to pretend I'm abusing Scripture. I don't know how I'm doing that by citing what Scripture says. Given I seek to be as "Christian" as possible, rather than just pretending to be to impress others that I'm "good", I regard Scripture more honestly than does Dan.
The Ball of Peace is in the Gazans' court. They refuse to put it in play. Complete dumbasses like Dan pretend it's more complex than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYlM109QzBI
Well, if scripture is to be believed, it's not a stretch to claim that YHWH gave that land to the Jews. However, while I regard the historical claim as important, I don't believe that Modern Israel is the direct continuation of ancient Israel. It's abundantly clear that the Jews have the best historical claim as none of the earlier inhabitants exist in any identifiable form. Likewise, there has been a consistent, verifiable, Jewish presence in the land from the beginning of the establishment of the kingdom of Israel through the reconstitution of Israel in 1948. The other compelling claim, to me, is that the Jews turned what was empty and barren land under the various empires that controlled it, into a modern state in a very short period of time. They took land of little or no value and gave it great value. No wonder the Arabs want to kill for that land.
Art, you are 100% correct. Hamas could end this tomorrow if they choose, yet they refuse to.
Hypothetical. What if Israel just stopped doing anything but shooting down Hamas' (and Hezbollah) unguided rockets? What if Israel just pulled back, stopped and military action in Gaza and waited? What would the Dan's of the world say then? What would the response of the left be when the terrorist attacks continued? How much would they expect Israel to absorb before they would consider Israel striking back?
I think this would be a bold move by Israel. Stop everything in Gaza and just protect their innocent citizens from rockets. I'd bet it wouldn't change a thing from the perspective of folx like Dan.
The video doesn't seem to be available any more.
It's easy to understand. It's not really honest. I'm sure he believes the propaganda he's parroting. But he's doing exactly what he accuses us of doing. He's a shill for one side. He's ignoring the reality of the history of the conflict, in favor of arguing about the relative size of the armies in 1948. Who cares? If he can't acknowledge the indisputable facts of 1948 (The Arabs rejected a two state solution in favor of a brutal attack with the intent to conquer, colonize, and commit genocide) none of the rest really matters.
Let's say, hypothetically, that Israel had the opportunity in 1948 to have unlimited immigration prior to independence, and that the western powers sold them state of the art armaments in large enough quantities to equip a military of 200,000 combatants. Does this make the Arab attack less vile and horrible? Would that justify conquering, colonizing, and ethnically cleansing the land?
No, this latest bullshit Dan leeched from Google isn't relevant to the main issues at hand.
The Arabs were the aggressors.
Israel was the victim.
The Arabs (to some degree) have never renounced a violent solution to the problem of Israel.
Hamas charter enshrines their commitment to genocide.
Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest regularly and intentionally target innocent civilians.
Most of the rest of the Arab world either funds the terrorists, or tacitly supports them.
The countries which seek to destroy Israel are almost totally oppressive, xenophobic, homophobic, and everything else the left claims to hate. Israel is pretty much everything the left claims to love, yet the left sides with oppression over liberty.
While your post focused on Kahlil, I think that Garcia is equally interesting. It appears that the Biden administration let him slide for what looks like human trafficking, the fact that he needs an interpreter after 14 years as a "Maryland Father", and the rest of the information about him makes him look like the better example.
Ultimately it's one more instance of the left rallying behind someone who's a total scumbag, and trying to present that scumbag as some sort of hero.
I just now tried the video and it appeared and I was able to start it up. Sometimes I wonder if it's just Bloggger getting in the way. See what happens if you try again.
Maps I've seen of ancient Israel do seem to cover all the area which now includes the so-called "West Bank" as well as Gaza, though I expected the Gaza Strip to be Egyptian, which may have been the case at one time or another. What truly matters, of course, is the claim of the dishonestly self-named "Palestinians", which is a false claim by any standard, and more so given they abandoned the land to get out of the way of Israel's total annihilation...which never happened.
I don't think the Dans of the world would change their tune if Israel acted as your hypothetical proposes. They're committed to their own anti-Semitic posture. This is particularly true of Dan himself, who clings to the notion that the rich and powerful are oppressors simply by being rich and powerful, and thus the Gazans are not only victims by rule, but are just in "fighting back" the non-existent oppression of the Jews.
I have been tempted to speak of Garcia, but allowed for his mention to come from Dan in one of his tangential diversions. Apparently it didn't occur to him to do so in this case. I'll give him a pat on his pointy head for it.
I'm not certain if it's about rallying behind scumbags (though the left does indeed do that, as we've seen with every instance of a scumbag dying while lawfully detained by law enforcement). I feel more confident that it's more the fact that it's Trump and his policies (righteous though they may be) toward those he intends to deport for their illegal presence in this country. As the current deportees happen to be scumbags, that's unfortunate for their attacks on Trump, but they'll just ignore what scumbags they are because "Trump".
But it does raise another question about such fools: if we allow that some who've entered illegally have some kind of more or less claim for asylum...as Garcia pretended to have once he was first found to be illegal and worthy of deportation...what percentage of those with refugee/asylum claims are like Garcia to one extent or another? We know that "refugee" status has been perverted by the perverts like Dan to include those looking for work (being a citizen of an economically depressed state, country or region does not justify identifying one's self as a refugee), it's more important than ever to require anyone with such a claim to go through official channels, rather than sneak in and cry "refugee!" later.
I think that quibbling about the exact map borders is kind of pointless. The modern borders are close enough to not really matter is they are exact. The important thing is that there has been a Jewish presence in that land for thousands of years, and there has never been a "palestine" that wasn't merely a province of an empire.
I disagree. I think that they would continue to act as they do now. Israel would obviously gain a vast amount of standing from anyone with half a brain were they to behave that way for even 6 months. But the Dan's of the world, wouldn't change.
Seems to work now.
FWIW, I think Garcia is a much better example than Kahlil, although they both should probably be gone.
Regardless of the reason, and I agree that it's commitment to the narrative rather than actual belief that these scumbags are the heroes they present them as. Look at the love for Karmelo Anthony for cold blooded murder. They latch on to these scumbags before they know what scumbags they really are, but than can't retract their support because it'd hurt the narrative.
I doubt we'll ever know the true percentage, but we can be sure that there is a percentage that are false claims. We can also be sure that there are folx like Dan out there who'll coach the false claimants through the process.
Craig...
"Ultimately it's one more instance of the left rallying behind someone who's a total scumbag...."
What in the unholy hell are you literally God damned gossips and slanderes talking about?! You sick-minded deviants know less than shit about these two gentlemen and yet you somehow think it's not entirely diabolical to smear this man based upon some gossippy shit you're listening to in whatever conservative hellholes and rocks you're crawling under?
Stop it. I rebuke your malignant cancerous souls in the name of all that is good and decent.
Dan
Craig...
"Ultimately it's one more instance of the left rallying behind someone who's a total scumbag..."
Look, at this point, you who have two options to save your sin-sick soul:
1. Provide proof, documentation, data, the conviction that supports your demonic attack...
2. Come clean, be honest and admit that you have NO proof beyond gossipy bullshit likely coming from bigots and xenophobes. And then, repent and apologize for attacking and demonizing the man you don't know shit about.
Will you save your soul?
Dan
Well, the point of the post is Khalil specifically and why his deportation is just...which it most certainly is...though I agree by all available info, they both deserve to be gone.
And yes, be it Khalil, Garcia or George Floyd and Trayvon Martin, the left has been defending the indefensible as if they are victims of injustice...which is a blatant and intentional lie.
The worst part about the percentage is that there is one at all, and largely because of the efforts of the left. That's a great disservice to true refugees and asylum seekers that the Dans have muddied the issue for their marxist desires. Frankly, I'd rather deport those like Dan than the actual illegal aliens.
"What in the unholy hell..."
You mean Jeff St? Stately Trabue Manor? Your black soul?
"What in the unholy hell are you literally God damned gossips and slanderes talking about?!"
"Literally"? Prove it, slanderer! You're the only one of such kind here.
"You sick-minded deviants know less than shit about these two gentlemen..."
Again, the only sick-minded deviant here is you, Trabue, you vile defender of infanticide and sexual perversion. And we're not talking about any "gentelmen". We're talking about Khalil and Garcia. Pay attention, pervert.
"...you somehow think it's not entirely diabolical to smear this man based upon some gossippy shit you're listening to in whatever conservative hellholes and rocks you're crawling under?"
This is what truth and facts are to the likes of Dan Trabue. We don't get our info from "conservative hellholes" (as if there are any such thing), but thanks for embracing grace, lying scum.
"I rebuke your malignant cancerous souls in the name of all that is good and decent."
Well, look at that! The baby-murdering, lover of sexual deviancy pretends he's good and decent. But he is validating our opinion of his kind and their constant support of the worst of humankind.
Dan...when you ever decide to look deeply into the issues I cover, rather than run on your superficial understanding of them fed to you by the liars you support, you still wouldn't have the moral authority or position to condescend to us as you do. You are most certainly NOT "good and decent" and you're not even a Christian, so stop citing God/Jesus here. Just try to make a case that isn't rife with bullshit, vitriol and falsehoods. You know...like the mature, honest adult behavior about which you pretend to care at your Blog of Lies and Perversions.
Craig. Do NOT respond to this unjust demand of Dan's. He has no authority or right to make it. We've provided more which supports our side of the issue than he's even thought of providing. God has given him over to his corruption and there's likely no hope for him now, and his fake outrage is just more false posturing from him. Only Dan would suggest speaking truthfully is demonic and sinful.
I get that, it seems like Garcia is becoming the better example as Kahlil's stuff is less obvious.
I'm simply pointing out that over the last 10 years or so the left has chosen to go all in on some real scumbags for their poster children. That Kahlil isn't a murder, drug addict, spousal abuser, human trafficker, or general criminal is irrelevant to the fact that he's one more poster child who's not a choirboy.
It's just how he rolls. He comes to other people's blogs and makes absurd demands while playing his faux moral outrage card. He wouldn't put up with this bullshit at his blog, but expects us to accede to his whims and demands.
Dan is too quick to damn people to the very Hell he denies the existence of.
Dan...
are you literally God damned gossips and slanderes talking about?!"
Marshal...
"Literally"? Prove it, slanderer!
St Paul literally said...
do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral...
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards
nor slanderers
nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
For a literalist like you, that's literally proving that you, being a slanderer and a deadly gossip, are damned by God.
And so, repent.
Dan
Oh, I don't believe in YOUR hell, but I know hell to be real. I see it regularly in gossips and abusers.
Dan
Once again exploiting Scripture when it serves your dishonest purposes. Citing what Scripture says about slanderers does nothing to prove I'm among them. I've been speaking on what the facts indicate. You've been accusing the Jews of atrocities. Who's the true slanderer here? That would be YOU pervert, not me. Thus, I'm neither damned (no more or less than anyone else born of this fallen world) nor a slanderer/gossip.
Gotta love when non-Christians try to use the Bible against us. Precious.
"Our" hell? That's absurd as is this comment. Perfect for your Blog of Lies and Perversions, but just rank stupidity here. And this from a Jeff St. jerk who defends infanticide, sexual depravity and the slandering of Trump and his supporters.
...except this post is about Khalil and the absurd notion that his deportation is somehow unjust. Frankly, a general post regarding all those who deserve deportation is justified but a far greater waste of time...especially given the evil of a Dan Trabue who is really just hateful of Trump, not concerned with the millions of illegals and the impact upon us all by their illegal presence here.
Just think, asshats like Dan are whining about these types of illegals being deported. Imagine how they'll wet their Pampers when Homan gets down to the less dangerous illegals equally deserving of deportation. They're prepping for that by insisting each and every one of them deserves long and drawn out trials of perverted "due process".
Marshal...
"Citing what Scripture says about slanderers does nothing to prove I'm among them. I've been speaking on what the facts indicate."
1. You are literally passing unsubstantiated gossip and rumors and literally providing no objective data to prove ANY of your slanderous, defamation and gossip.
This is, by definition, slander.
2. The Bible literally says that gossips and slanderers are noy part of the realm of God. That's objectively there and, for someone who says they take the Bible's teachings literally, being a literally unrepentant gossip and slanderer (and clearly, you're not the least bit apologetic or humble in your approach to these gossips and slanders) would give one rational pause, IF one was rational.
Dan
3. I've not "been accusing the Jews of atrocities."
4. What I am saying is that, over the decades, Israel has engaged in atrocities.
5. This is supported in the reality of the women raped, the children killed, the wells poisoned, etc, as pointed out and reported upon in multiple ICC, UN and human rights reports over the decades.
Data is not on your side.
Dan
Marshal...
""Our" hell? That's absurd as is this comment."
How so? You and man evangelical conservatives have an unproven opinion about what hell is like. I have different opinions which I find to be more rational and biblical.
Whats absurd about noting that difference of opinion?
Dan
1. I am literally presenting facts as is clearly seen in the two links offered in the post for the purpose. My position is further supported by additional links appearing throughout this comment thread. They all indicate that a guy who is a leader of an organization which celebrated and defended the murderous barbarity of Gazans cannot be anything other than one more advocate for those scumbags. Thus, no slander by me regarding the execrable Khalil, but a lot of slander by you toward me, Craig, and Trump and his supporters.
The Bible also says how homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom, either, and so that's two strikes against you. Add to that your support for infanticide and law breaking and I'm not wagering on seeing you in heaven anytime this eternity.
"3. I've not "been accusing the Jews of atrocities."
4. What I am saying is that, over the decades, Israel has engaged in atrocities. "
Contradiction much?
5. All you've offered refers to over 75-80 years ago. The UN is anti-Semitic and a wholly unreliable source regarding the situation between Israel and the Gazans. All Gazan deaths are the fault of the Gazans, not the Israelis because the Israelis have no desire to do anything but live in peace without having assholes you love attacking them with extreme prejudice.
The data is fully on my side. The truth is fully on my side. You're a liar defending liars.
Our suspicion on what hell might be like is completely based on the words of Christ. You have no "biblical opinions" which aren't "Trabue opinions" weakly supported by corrupted bits of Scripture.
What's most absurd is the laughable implication your "differing" opinion is in any way profound or based on anything more than your fervent desire to be taken seriously as a "serious and prayerful" student of Scripture. You are most clearly not.
"3. I've not "been accusing the Jews of atrocities."
4. What I am saying is that, over the decades, Israel has engaged in atrocities. "
Contradiction much?
NO. The nation of Israel HAS literally engaged in atrocities. As the ICC and other organizations have documented. (As has Hamas.)
The Jewish people, collectively, have not.
Understand the difference?
I don't blame all Jewish people for the actions of the State of Israel, anymore than I blame all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas. Hold the guilty accountable, not the innocent.
Unlike you, with me, there is consistency.
Don't you hate it when facts smack you upside the head?
Dan
"Our suspicion on what hell might be like is completely based on the words of Christ."
Mine, too. But my understanding has the advantage of also being rational and not depicting God as some cthulu horror story demigod.
Might want to double check your opinion (unless, of course, you think of God as some spectral monster.)
Dan
Your understanding of Scripture is absurd and self-serving, not God-serving. You can't come here and pretend you're at your Blog of Lies and Perversions. Here, we are not convinced you're even Christian (hardly). No one here depicts God as some "cthulu" horror story demigod or as some spectral monster. We don't regard him as the fiction you laughingly regard as "Biblical", and certainly not "rational", as you have no understanding of that word, either. While here, you'll be better served not pretending you're Christian.
"The nation of Israel HAS literally engaged in atrocities. As the ICC and other organizations have documented."
Not surprising a dumbass anti-Semite like you would cite a clown show like the ICC. You could not have provided more evidence of your stupidity and dishonesty by doing so.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/end-the-international-criminal-court/
The nation of Israel does not engage in atrocities. Period. The best you've been able to do thus far is cite Wikipedia, which also contradicts your fervent desire to have Israel regarded as engaging in war crimes.
Then of course, you pretend again there is some degree of equivalency between Israel and the Gazans. In Israel, where they go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties in fighting against the Gazan oppressors...despite the support for Jewish annihilation among the vast majority of Gazan civilians, the people of Israel simply want the Gazans to stop trying to kill them.
The Gazans, on the other hand, support the actions of Hamas, or at least did until the repercussions of doing so resulted in Israel stepping up their military response. Now, they want Hamas out, but there's no sign they've changed their tune about wanting Israel wiped off the face of the earth. It is right and just to blame all of Gaza for the actions of Hamas, as the vast majority of Gazans put Hamas in power and celebrate their evil when it doesn't threaten them directly to do so.
Unlike me, you're a buffoon and devoid of facts...or worse, you simply ignore them in favor of your anti-Semitic support for Jew haters.
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