Over at Dan's blog, he challenged me to speak about Langston Hughes and the Harlem Renaissance. He got his panties in a wad after I stated that Hughes' poem, like MLK JR's speech of a previous post, were not relevant to the situation of race relations today. I stand by that while he and his troll do nothing to defend the contrary opinion. Like most on their side of the divide today, any disagreement, question, critique or objection to anything said by, or in defense of, the black community is racist.
In any case, I decided to take up the challenge he laid before me in the comments section following the post in question. Because Dan is not an honorable boy and can't be trusted to actually engage on an intellectual level (or what passes for one in his fevered imaginings), I must also post my response to him here. Between the two of us, we haven't much of a blog following. But by posting my response here, everyone will know that I did my part. Should he choose not to engage, I will have further reason to believe his kids were most likely the result of a sperm donation because he clearly has no balls. So what follows is my response, and despite it wasn't exactly how I wanted my next post to go, it does cover some of what I wanted to say in it.
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The Harlem Renaissance was a time when black and white Americans alike “discovered” the vibrancy and uniqueness of black art, music, and especially, literature. Large numbers of black artists could earn their livings and be critically acknowledged in their fields. The distinction of black cultural heritage and its manifestation was in vogue during this period. There was a strong communist influence among the Black intelligensia in this area (though it certainly wasn't unheard of in America in general at that time---Woodrow Wilson was a far left "progressive" after all). And along with the proliferation of the N.A.A.C.P. and the Urban League (begun in the 1910's), there was also a proliferation of licentiousness, with cabarets for homosexuals and transvestites common in its nightlife (which no doubt attracts Dan even more).
"Good God have mercy on your poor, pitiful damned soul."
You shouldn't pray to the God for Whom you have no true devotion, and certainly not after presuming you can do His job.
But from the above arrogance, you go on to make your demands, as if they change the point. Nonetheless, here we go:
"THEN, apologize for your various comments and maybe you can comment here and try to offer something rational, rather than something ignorant."
Until you find spine enough to demonstrate in what way my comments are ignorant or irrational...which means something more than simply asserting such because you don't like and can't counter what I say...then my comments are neither.
"Their words ARE relevant. Of course. Just ask and listen to black people and other rational people."
Again, just saying someone agrees with you doesn't make it so. An actual argument in defense of the proposition might. Give it a try. My argument is coming below.
"That you want to pretend that their words are not still relevant because racism has been "solved" and things are all better now, does not make it so."
Not in the least an accurate reflection of anything I've ever said, here or elsehwere.
"I'll give you ONE chance to give a review on the whole poem and tell me what you think it means."
It's no mystery. In nutshell, it's simply saying what others have said and continue to say, which is that the ideals of American...the intention of what America was meant to be...haven't been realized. Not at all a unique sentiment. Most anyone can say it and not be wrong, except by doing so it demands a perfection the speaker himself hasn't attained, either. But of course, despite Hughers mostly speaking as a black man, the poem doesn't speak only on behalf of the black community. Like the typical leftist...and he was a socialist for sure, if not a full on communist...he was a social justice warrior and speaks for that cause with this poem. Again, no mystery here.
"Why is this poem still so relevant and powerful today?"
This question is problematic. It assumes I find it either. I'm not sure you could find a majority of black people today even know who the guy is, much less know of this particular poem. Certainly YOU find it both, yet you have to ignore the many advances in race relations (and other areas of American life) in order for it to be "still so relevant". I'm sure you have no problem doing that. Powerful and relevant for whom? I mean besides yourself and other socialists? The America of today is not the America of Hughes' time. The conditions for the black community is not at all the same now as then. I doubt that Hughes, like King, would not wonder what the hell the typical black activist is whining about.
"What makes it a classic poem?"
Again, "classic" to whom? Certainly to social justice warriors, poets, perhaps and no doubt those among the leftist black variety. But like those who influenced him as a writer and poet, his preference for "speaking normally" or in the character of the average person made him stand out and accessable. It spoke to the conditions of the time from the perspective of a black leftist.
"Do you think that it was ever a relevant poem, or was Hughes way off in his assessment of US history?"
Most poems are relevant to somebody. This one was likely relevant to other leftists of his day more than to others who weren't leftists. Like similar works of all eras, it was certainly worthless to those who took a rosier view of life and/or America...that is, those who are honest enough to acknowledge American isn't perfect, but still honestly recognize what it was meant to be, was at the time, and what it can be. The thing is, here was a guy who lived during a time when racism was far more prevalent and blatant, and he earned his living doing what he loved to do. Yet, poems like this are his whining about how bad a place American is. He had none of the MANY advantages available to black people today, and STILL succeeded tremendously...writing poems!!! (among other things of course) That would suggest his assessment, as indicated by this poem, is a bit off.
" Show me that you're not coming from a place of ignorance on Hughes..."
It's typical that you regard disagreement with you as "coming from a place of ignorance", as if you're opinions and position come from a place of great wisdom. You don't feel the need to back up that attitude because that would take effort and and actual argument that is coherent and fact-based. You want to believe that I've never heard of the guy simply because I don't hold him in the same high regard as you, especially in your bulshit pro-BLM, "Art's a racist" mode. The fact is that I wouldn't need to know who he was to have an opinion of his work and whether or not it is relevant to today. Unlike you, I can defend my opinion.
"...on what basis would we consider your crazy hunches that it's no longer relevant to be relevant?"
On the basis I mentioned already. The conditions now are far improved over what the conditions were back in the days of either Hughes or King. Of this there is no debate. What lies at the heart of current whining is the false excuse of "racism", not a true "systemic" racism or even the blatant, widespread racism of their time. If this were not true, how can test scores for black students of Harlem in the 1930 be equal to and sometime better than whites of nearby schools? How could most black children be familiar with their fathers, since they were still living at home with Ma? How could the out-of-wedlock childbirth rate be better than whites? Yet today, none of this is the case in an America with FAR less racism (most whites bending over backwards to avoid having anyone think they're racist), equal opportunity laws, affirmative action, welfare up the wahzoo, and a host of other "legs up" available BECAUSE one is black. And you want to tell me this poem is still relevant today? That the King speech you posted is still relevant today? Tell me how.
Now go ahead and delete this you pathetic, lying coward. It's far easier than "listening" or having a conversation you pretend to want to have with those who reject the BLM, white guilt, white privilege bullshit narrative.
Saturday, June 27, 2020
Friday, June 12, 2020
Continuing The Conversation
Self-loathing, white-guilt, fake Christians like feo and Dan Trabue tell us we need to "listen to black voices". What they mean, of course, even while denying it, is that we should listen to those black voices they find personally compelling...voices that not only move them personally, but validate their own far left notions about race in America. They say this as if we haven't been listening for decades...since the time of Martin Luther King Jr. we've been listening. There's been so much listening since that time that a host of policies have been implemented to address the concerns listed by those voices. And still it's not enough. It will never be enough for some, for some like to pretend they're furthering King's work, while in reality they share in the responsibility for the conditions about which contemporary "black voices" now refer.
I will be getting into some of King's words another time. Words the above mentioned fakes have presented to make their white-guilt, pseudo-privileged, pseudo-sanctimonious arguments. But for now, I am presenting a number of black voices that do not buy into what the fakes and their fake black leaders are selling. They have better in mind for the black race and have stats and facts to back up their positions...something we never get from those to whom the two fakes insist we must listen. What follows requires time, because most of what I've chosen is more than a few minutes long. Close to an hour for a couple, a bit more or less for others. Yet what you'll hear is a perspective that the fakes dismiss as "outliers", which isn't necessarily untrue. But these "outliers" aren't speaking from emotion and myth and indoctrination handed down from a time when things should have been far worse but yet from which so many transcended nonetheless, leaving the majority of "voices" from today without excuse...because things are so much better. Take the time if you really want to prove you care, lefty fakes. Facts, truth and reality changed a few of those that are highlighted below. In no particular order, I begin:
Talk about a guy who was down with the narrative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Y35EpOiFc&feature=emb_rel_end
This next person is quite young as of the time of this interview. He says a few things that make me believe he's still on his journey, but he's clearly very intelligent and may alter those points of concern. Overall, I dig him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6kUiKQkxc
The kids really need to listen to this black voice. He's speaking to them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9wWF1_YFBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi2hqL5KkHc
The great Walter Williams also had his journey from leftist to intelligent. The first two cover some of the same things, but are both worth the time for those who claim it's important to listen to black voices...and actually mean it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzqsoM7-q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZGvQcxoAPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_serzVQbU
It wouldn't be right to not include something by the great Thomas Sowell, a black voice that, like Williams, even black people need to hear and study.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5csE8q9mho
The following I added because the interviewer could be Dan or the troll. He's trying hard to get Washington to validate his white-guilt perceptions of the black struggle. Denzel won't have any of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tXLCkDOaD4
Some more from Denzel and others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjJRfuVPRuY
Larry Elder on Ice Cube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzdzAaFsZks
-----This last one brings up an interesting question, one I've heard expressed a couple of times recently: for all the black celebrities and politicians, and all the "white privileged", white-guilt celebrities and politicians, how many of them live within the black communities where all the systemic racism is plaguing the people? None of them do. At best, they go in and pass out handouts of one form or another, (with some trying to actually mentor kids now and then...however that looks to them) but they all continue to support the same type of politicians who have done nothing for the last fifty years or more to actually improve things.-----
But I digress. The voices above differ from those to whom Dan would have us listen by actually having real evidence and data to support their changes of heart. They are truly "woke" in a way the asshats only pretend to be, and it's brought them hatred from those who find the truth to be inconvenient. These people would have the voices Dan and feo find compelling to bring forth their evidence for what they believe and insist we believe, too. It never happens.
And here's something else that won't happen. Neither of the fakes...Dan and the troll...will watch these videos and bring forth anything that will truly contradict what these brilliant voices say.
I will be getting into some of King's words another time. Words the above mentioned fakes have presented to make their white-guilt, pseudo-privileged, pseudo-sanctimonious arguments. But for now, I am presenting a number of black voices that do not buy into what the fakes and their fake black leaders are selling. They have better in mind for the black race and have stats and facts to back up their positions...something we never get from those to whom the two fakes insist we must listen. What follows requires time, because most of what I've chosen is more than a few minutes long. Close to an hour for a couple, a bit more or less for others. Yet what you'll hear is a perspective that the fakes dismiss as "outliers", which isn't necessarily untrue. But these "outliers" aren't speaking from emotion and myth and indoctrination handed down from a time when things should have been far worse but yet from which so many transcended nonetheless, leaving the majority of "voices" from today without excuse...because things are so much better. Take the time if you really want to prove you care, lefty fakes. Facts, truth and reality changed a few of those that are highlighted below. In no particular order, I begin:
Talk about a guy who was down with the narrative!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Y35EpOiFc&feature=emb_rel_end
This next person is quite young as of the time of this interview. He says a few things that make me believe he's still on his journey, but he's clearly very intelligent and may alter those points of concern. Overall, I dig him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6kUiKQkxc
The kids really need to listen to this black voice. He's speaking to them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9wWF1_YFBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi2hqL5KkHc
The great Walter Williams also had his journey from leftist to intelligent. The first two cover some of the same things, but are both worth the time for those who claim it's important to listen to black voices...and actually mean it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzqsoM7-q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZGvQcxoAPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_serzVQbU
It wouldn't be right to not include something by the great Thomas Sowell, a black voice that, like Williams, even black people need to hear and study.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5csE8q9mho
The following I added because the interviewer could be Dan or the troll. He's trying hard to get Washington to validate his white-guilt perceptions of the black struggle. Denzel won't have any of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tXLCkDOaD4
Some more from Denzel and others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjJRfuVPRuY
Larry Elder on Ice Cube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzdzAaFsZks
-----This last one brings up an interesting question, one I've heard expressed a couple of times recently: for all the black celebrities and politicians, and all the "white privileged", white-guilt celebrities and politicians, how many of them live within the black communities where all the systemic racism is plaguing the people? None of them do. At best, they go in and pass out handouts of one form or another, (with some trying to actually mentor kids now and then...however that looks to them) but they all continue to support the same type of politicians who have done nothing for the last fifty years or more to actually improve things.-----
But I digress. The voices above differ from those to whom Dan would have us listen by actually having real evidence and data to support their changes of heart. They are truly "woke" in a way the asshats only pretend to be, and it's brought them hatred from those who find the truth to be inconvenient. These people would have the voices Dan and feo find compelling to bring forth their evidence for what they believe and insist we believe, too. It never happens.
And here's something else that won't happen. Neither of the fakes...Dan and the troll...will watch these videos and bring forth anything that will truly contradict what these brilliant voices say.
Saturday, June 06, 2020
The Conversation Begins. I'm MORE Than Willing To Have It.
Eric Holder once asserted that we are a nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race. White-guilt wieners insist along with the race-hustlers that we must listen to black voices. But who are the real cowards when it comes to such discussions, and who is it who is not truly listening?
For years we've been hearing those black voices tell us all sorts of things with regard to why they're so downtrodden. For years we've been told it is the white people and their privilege that is the cause. Yet, where's the evidence? If we're to listen, why can we not question what we're told?
I think it's clear that for the most part, what is said is mostly a matter of what is perceived to be true rather than what is. Yet when we speak in response, when will the other side listen? It seems they don't want to. Here's an example:
Recently, Drew Brees reiterated his position that kneeling during the national anthem is something he can't support, that it is disrespectful to the flag. The response to this is that it's not about the flag. OK. But it is about the nation for which it stands, and the original kneeler who so much provoked the current "conversation" we're "too cowardly" to have said otherwise:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."
Clearly, it's about the flag and the nation for which it stands. Or isn't it? I guess when people say it's about the flag, then it no longer is. In any case, we hear what he's saying, and what he's saying is crap. No one is oppressing black people and people of color. Oh wait!!! Let me insert the caveat here: "Sure, there are still racists and always will be." There. Got that crap out of the way...as if it's in any way supportive of the "America is racist" bullshit!
To finish up the true objection to kneeling during anthems, it continues like this: Football (or whatever professional sport) is the job. The team owner, as well as the league, is the employer. The people in the stands and watching on TV are the customers. See where I'm going with this?
---No one comes to a game to see some schmuck protest, nor are they concerned with whatever it is he's protesting. It's not the time for it. Those that think one shouldn't get upset with a brief protest like kneeling during the anthem, that it's not too much to ask for one to be allowed to do so, can pound sand up their ass. How about if I show up to your birthday party and start preaching, or get up on a soapbox and pontificate about this, that or the other? It's not the time or place and regardless of my sincere concerns about whatever the hell it is that bothers me, it would be appropriate to be told to shut the hell up and keep it to myself for another more appropriate time.
---The right to protest does not give one liberty to protest absolutely anywhere at any time. The Constitutional right to free speech refers to that which critiques the government, and as such, the appropriate place to protest is at the local governmental office, like the city, state or federal capitol. Not a freakin' football game, concert or awards show. At those venues, no one cares.
---Asshat professional athletes have money enough to pay for other methods of expressing their ignorance and falsehoods, as well as legitimate grievances. They can form organizations to foment unrest and the perpetuation of falsehoods or they can contribute their big bucks to already formed organizations that are already doing that.
---Asshat professional athletes and entertainers can use some of that wealth they've accumulated by being citizens of such a depraved, oppressive and racist nation to learn a few facts, study the issue and get educated before the open their big mouths and prove just how freakin' stupid they are.
Our own false-priest turd, feo, tried to post an off-topic comment which was a quote from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
""So, maybe the black community's main concern right now isn't whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive."
Another stupid man, because this is exactly the lie believed by so many as if they need to do so in order to be in the club. Those who don't abide it are "Oreos", "House niggers", "Uncle Toms". Cops do NOT go around murdering black people, and they certainly don't do so "just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive". It's patent nonsense put forth as true, and it is no more than an excuse for other issues. "He only stopped me because I'm black."
Here's the thing: Because of such asinine assertions, white people, by and large, go WAY, WAY, WAY the hell out of their way to avoid giving any impression that they're racist. (Even racists likely do so!) But it's fruitless to make such an effort. Assholes will continue to accuse just as one of them, feo, does constantly. Yet it shows how much effort is already been put forth by most white people...that is, the vast majority of them. Some even go so far as to stupidly apologize for it despite never personally exhibiting any sign or symptom of a racist nature. OH, the assholes will say, YOU don't even KNOW you're racist. Very convenient. Very much a lie told by liars.
So this is the beginning of my conversation on race. There will most definitely be more to come. And we will see how it's not really a conversation they want. It's something far more insidious.
For years we've been hearing those black voices tell us all sorts of things with regard to why they're so downtrodden. For years we've been told it is the white people and their privilege that is the cause. Yet, where's the evidence? If we're to listen, why can we not question what we're told?
I think it's clear that for the most part, what is said is mostly a matter of what is perceived to be true rather than what is. Yet when we speak in response, when will the other side listen? It seems they don't want to. Here's an example:
Recently, Drew Brees reiterated his position that kneeling during the national anthem is something he can't support, that it is disrespectful to the flag. The response to this is that it's not about the flag. OK. But it is about the nation for which it stands, and the original kneeler who so much provoked the current "conversation" we're "too cowardly" to have said otherwise:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."
Clearly, it's about the flag and the nation for which it stands. Or isn't it? I guess when people say it's about the flag, then it no longer is. In any case, we hear what he's saying, and what he's saying is crap. No one is oppressing black people and people of color. Oh wait!!! Let me insert the caveat here: "Sure, there are still racists and always will be." There. Got that crap out of the way...as if it's in any way supportive of the "America is racist" bullshit!
To finish up the true objection to kneeling during anthems, it continues like this: Football (or whatever professional sport) is the job. The team owner, as well as the league, is the employer. The people in the stands and watching on TV are the customers. See where I'm going with this?
---No one comes to a game to see some schmuck protest, nor are they concerned with whatever it is he's protesting. It's not the time for it. Those that think one shouldn't get upset with a brief protest like kneeling during the anthem, that it's not too much to ask for one to be allowed to do so, can pound sand up their ass. How about if I show up to your birthday party and start preaching, or get up on a soapbox and pontificate about this, that or the other? It's not the time or place and regardless of my sincere concerns about whatever the hell it is that bothers me, it would be appropriate to be told to shut the hell up and keep it to myself for another more appropriate time.
---The right to protest does not give one liberty to protest absolutely anywhere at any time. The Constitutional right to free speech refers to that which critiques the government, and as such, the appropriate place to protest is at the local governmental office, like the city, state or federal capitol. Not a freakin' football game, concert or awards show. At those venues, no one cares.
---Asshat professional athletes have money enough to pay for other methods of expressing their ignorance and falsehoods, as well as legitimate grievances. They can form organizations to foment unrest and the perpetuation of falsehoods or they can contribute their big bucks to already formed organizations that are already doing that.
---Asshat professional athletes and entertainers can use some of that wealth they've accumulated by being citizens of such a depraved, oppressive and racist nation to learn a few facts, study the issue and get educated before the open their big mouths and prove just how freakin' stupid they are.
Our own false-priest turd, feo, tried to post an off-topic comment which was a quote from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
""So, maybe the black community's main concern right now isn't whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive."
Another stupid man, because this is exactly the lie believed by so many as if they need to do so in order to be in the club. Those who don't abide it are "Oreos", "House niggers", "Uncle Toms". Cops do NOT go around murdering black people, and they certainly don't do so "just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive". It's patent nonsense put forth as true, and it is no more than an excuse for other issues. "He only stopped me because I'm black."
Here's the thing: Because of such asinine assertions, white people, by and large, go WAY, WAY, WAY the hell out of their way to avoid giving any impression that they're racist. (Even racists likely do so!) But it's fruitless to make such an effort. Assholes will continue to accuse just as one of them, feo, does constantly. Yet it shows how much effort is already been put forth by most white people...that is, the vast majority of them. Some even go so far as to stupidly apologize for it despite never personally exhibiting any sign or symptom of a racist nature. OH, the assholes will say, YOU don't even KNOW you're racist. Very convenient. Very much a lie told by liars.
So this is the beginning of my conversation on race. There will most definitely be more to come. And we will see how it's not really a conversation they want. It's something far more insidious.
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