This could take a bit of time. Not sure how quickly I'll finish it, but I regret I couldn't wait until after Mother's Day to begin. No loving woman would ever murder her own child. But those who have been up in arms over the leaked SCOTUS draft regarding the poorly decided Roe v Wade decision aren't loving people in the first place if defending the "right" to murder one's own unborn is important to them. So I'll be responding to the fake Christian. His vile blog post is here:
https://throughthesewoods.blogspot.com/2022/05/abortion-facts.html
Open a second window and follow along. Here's his first two sentences:
"Some facts about abortion. These are objective, rational, demonstrable facts, no partisanship and no need for disagreement."
With this we see again Dan isn't one to support anything he says, while he demands support for ANYTHING said by an opponent. We'll now see which of what follows are "objective, rational demonstrable 'FACTS'". (Here's where you'll have to follow along. If I copy paste everything, this post with stretch quite a ways.)
1. Right off we see a falsehood. Can one love babies or fetuses while at the same time protecting laws permitting them being brutally murdered in the womb? It seems an obvious question to honest people, but then again, Dan thinks he can love the Lord while rejecting so much of His teaching, so... The only way one could argue this first point is true is to argue pro-aborts disregard the unborn altogether, feeling nothing at all for them. But I don't see that as any better.
2. As far as "facts" go, this one doesn't come close. Of course pro-aborts want to see kids murdered. That's what abortion is, and they support being permitted to abort their children. And if the point is that they don't want to murder their own child in the womb, but have no choice, that's a lie, too.
3. This one is true, because most opponents of abortion know women are at great risk in choosing to abort. But if abortion is murder...which it is...then what do we do with murderers now? How many abortions should be tolerated by a single woman until she's seen as the mass murderer she is? We typically execute mass murderers or sentence them to life in prison.
4 & 5. These are examples of irrelevance. The fact that a human fetus is a human fetus is a new level of Captain Obvious redundancy. Not only was it redundant to say, he said it twice. But Dan does this kind of thing to pad his lists as if it makes the premise any more intelligent.
But it only gets stupider as we go:
5a. The only right in contention in the abortion debate is the right to life of the unborn person. Thus, it's not about "human rights in every possible sense", which is just diversion and not a particularly intelligent attempt at it. (Not surprising given the source)
5b. We don't objectively, factually "know" that anyone has any rights. We true Americans merely accept as self-evident that we do, especially the right to life, which is the only issue of importance in the abortion debate.
5c. "The law" doesn't need to say a damned thing for it to be true that all people...born or soon to be in nine months or less...has the right to life. Honest Christians, or at least honest people of any religion, accept this self-evident truth. Since Dan is neither, one can understand how he might have a problem.
5d. I don't give a flying rat's ass about "allah", "buddha" or the Koran has to say about it. None of that has anything to do with the creation of this nation and it's laws and ideals. But yes, God does say all human life is deserving of having that right protected as all are created in His Image and Likeness. A real Christian...especially one who allegedly seriously and prayerfully studied Scripture... would never ask such a moronic question.
5e. This is the hardest for Dan, for he is lacking greatly the ability to reason. But given what we know about how human life is brought forth, reason absolutely insists the pre-born have the same unalienable right to life as even low-life cretins like Dan. Indeed, more so.
The stupid then continues from questions 6-9, as Dan begins again to speak of "rights" as opposed to "the right to life" which is the only right in contention in the abortion debate. We don't need to pretend "kids driving cars" is an intelligent argument, just because Dan was stupid enough to add it in the mix. We can just blow it off as the stupidity it is and leave it at that.
Then he cites "Encyclopia.com" as if that is relevant, either. It doesn't matter what any past law said or provided. What matters is what is true. If past laws were written to deny the full humanity of full persons, like black slaves or the unborn, we can't pretend such citations add credibility and validity to the position Dan is supporting. Indeed, the issue here is a law on our books which may be overturned by this Supreme Court. It would be just to do so as it is a heinous law which is oppressive to "the least of these" as Dan would say if he wasn't complicit in their murders. I'm told oppression is to be opposed and there's nothing so oppressive as ripping a child limb from limb and crushing its head.
Finally, he gets to the only question which matters:
<i>"10. Okay, but what about the basic "right to life..."? Even a one year old has that, right? But does a fetus? Does a fetus at 2 seeks old have that right? At 20 weeks old?"</i>
He then goes into the usual bullshit dance typical of the pro-aborts:
11. The fact is, we "do not know" why any of us has the right to life without God, Who explained we are all made in His image and likeness and it is that which explains the value each of our lives has. But that does not limit it to the born in any way. The moment of birth (now at risk by the pro-aborts) is an arbitrary line set by human beings who don't have the authority under God to dictate whose life has value and whose doesn't.
12. It's not a matter of legality anymore than it was when the law allowed blacks to be enslaved. Thus, what any state's law says...or any country's...is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the unborn are possessed of the same right to life as any of us fortunate enough to not have a murderer for a mother.
For honest people, especially honest Christian people (ACTUAL honest Christian people, not fake Christians like Dan) the right to life of all people is self-evident. And even if the founders were not scientifically advanced enough to understand the full truth of human procreation (I doubt that was the case), we certainly have the scientific knowledge which supports the premise we were as we are when we were first conceived and as such we all had the right to life from that point in time.
Dan then goes on to do what Dan always does, and that's to corrupt Scripture to appease his own agenda. He cites Exodus 21 and perverts it as others have done to protect the ability to murder their own. But it doesn't work as explained in the following link:
https://www.str.org/w/what-exodus-21-22-says-about-abortion
Note the author of that piece. He's no piker. Dan's troll tries to argue against it in the comments section. Grab some popcorn and prepare for a good laugh if you're thinking about checking it out.
"No," Dan says. "The Bible does not state anywhere that fetuses have an innate right to
life." But neither does it say Dan does. What we can read is that we are not to murder. It refers in Genesis to taking the life of "man", as in "mankind" as opposed to "only adult males". It says we aren't to do this because we're created in His image. No one would suggest it isn't speaking of women and children, too, but the pro-aborts pretend there's this imaginary line somewhere during the development of a child in utero when it's OK to rip it apart limb from limb like a good grace embracing Christian should.
Again, it's self-evident to all honest people. Dan has used the term "self-evident" for many other cases, but somehow this one is too tricky for him. One who exists because a man and woman engaged in the very act intended to bring about another person is somehow not a person when it's inconvenient for either of the parents. This is self-evidently selfishness of a most vile and heinous degree and of course it's right up Dan's alley. He's totally into that degree of evil pretending "we can't know", while at the same time being certain he has the unalienable right to life!
13. When convenient and profitable for Dan, Scripture is required to have exact wording in order for him to act like a Christian (and he's an incredibly bad actor!). He can perceive all manner of teaching he insists is self-evident, or protected by his submission of the "it's my opinion" defense followed by the "if I'm mistaken on this one point, will it cost me my salvation?" plea (my, how many times he uses that one!), but then demand exact wording for that which he does not wish to be prohibited. He demands exactness and specific wording from those who disagree with him, while pretending Scripture is imbued with enough ambiguity to grant him license to live apart from God's will and still claim he's living the Christian life.
Dan thinks this question of the life of the unborn is somehow just as ambiguous, but it's just another vile pile of bullshit no honest person would ever give the time of day. He believes no one has the right to murder him. He believes no one has the right to murder a "gay" person, or a black person, or an illegal immigrant, though he can't provide any reason why that is true other than he believes it to be so. In the meantime, he'll insist we are all obliged to defend those lives from "oppressors". The hypocrisy is among the worst lies which can be told by anyone. We're to stand for the lives of everyone BUT the soon to be born child, the most vulnerable, defenseless and innocent of our kind. What kind of asshole takes a position like that and then pretends he's noble in leaving that decision to murder to the mother of the child?
So yes. Dan DOES support murder. He supports the murder of the unborn. I don't know where he gets this "hate the fetus" crap. I've never heard that said by a pro-child person. The truth is that their view of the child in utero does rise to hatred, because they don't even regard the child as a person, just as Dems of old disregarded the black man, and just as nazis disregarded the Jew and others, and just how the islamist disregards both of them and the LGBT. But at least those people could fight back or run away or hide. The child is without completely.
Dan recommends how we should oppose the murder of the unborn. This contemptible piece of shit should instead reflect on what a piece of shit he is to dare suppose he can question another person's right to life, and worse, to question whether another person is a person. One who claims to be a Christian and leaves the life of a child to the whims of selfish parents is no Christian. He is pure evil.