THE BIG DAY IS HERE!!!!

Well folks, the day has arrived.  Today is when I post feo's "plan" for reducing gun violence.  What will follow is something the troll posted at Dan's sometime, I think, in August and referenced in a more recent post.   So I went back and looked for it and lo and behold!  There it was!  In all it's *gack* "glory". 

So here's how it's going to go down:  I'm going to post all of the comments that included this "plan", as well as following comments from feo (because he's just so funny) and then I will be making my comments on it.  Much of what he proposes has been addressed in two previous posts of mine and I will likely refer to it to deal with specific suggestions...likely with a link or some such, but possibly with additional thoughts. 

This may involve multiple posts to address it all and should it turn out that way, I will not be posting any comments until the entire "plan" is presented (with my attendant comments).  It may be one post per week until the whole thing is presented, but I think I can get it done in three installments.  We'll see.  I'm just gonna wing it.  Once I'm finished, I will then disable Comment Moderation (because it's a pain in the ass), and feo will have the opportunity to engage in civil discourse. 

Did you read that part feo?  "CIVIL" discourse!  You clearly don't know what this means, so pay attention.  Imagine you're ACTUALLY a Christian who lives to treat your worst enemy in the most Christian manner possible...with kindness, humility, graciousness, tolerance and absent any hint of your typical smarm, condescension, pretension and other acts of hatred and evil so common in your every comment.  Yes, that means if everyone is acting towards you the way you act towards us as if you're getting paid for it, you will nonetheless do nothing in return but act as if you're an actual Christian...loving your enemies more than you clearly love yourself.  Throughout this probationary period, it will be up to me and me alone to determine if you've acted according to these terms and letter of the law will be the law you will follow lest you immediately find your comments deleted and Comment Moderation enabled once again.  Then, you will be back to trying to post your idiocy and having it end up in the spam folder to be deleted without being read.  You will be the sweetest and most loving commentator or you will not comment at all.  Period.

So, let's get on with it:
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    Dan, here is the plan to markedly reduce deaths from guns that Marshal and Craig have gotten three times in the last year but claim they haven't gotten or didn't get in the right wary and won't share with each other. They've lied, avoided, made excuses, but, obviously cannot refute the data, culled from experts on gun policy effectiveness and supported by Americans. Clearly the reason they've lied as cowards.

    At any rate, I'd love to hear your response to this proposal: listed in the next comment box are 27 gun control policies recommended by gun policy experts AND law enforcement officials that have been instituted somewhere in the US. Their statistical effect on reducing gun violence is given, followed by what % of Americans polled are on favor of that particular policy.

    The key is that never have these policies been instituted in any one jurisdiction all at the same time. Expectedly, the impact on gun violence of all of these 37 statistically effective policies would be impressive and save hundreds of thousands of live over a decade.

    To create this survey of effective policies, the NY Times "consulted the academic literature on laws from American states and foreign countries and spoke with advocates for gun rights and gun control. Both surveys were conducted in June of last year. For our measure of popularity, Morning Consult conducted an internet survey of 1,975 voters, who were asked whether they approved of the possible laws. For our effectiveness survey, we asked experts in gun policy to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities. We asked the experts to ignore considerations of political or legal feasibility.

    Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy...

    Special thanks to the Fraternal Order of Police and the Major Cities Chiefs Association for distributing the survey to their membership."

    August 11, 2019 at 11:01 AM
Blogger Feodor said...

    Policy % effectiveness in reducing gun violence % supported by Americans

    - Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys a gun. 7.3 86%
    - Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of
    violent misdemeanors, including domestic assaults. 7.1 83%
    - Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been convicted of
    stalking another person 6.5 85%
    - Requiring all gun owners to possess a license for their firearm. 6.4 78%
    - Requiring all sellers to run background checks on anyone who buys
    ammunition. 6.4 72%
    - Banning the sale and ownership of all semi-automatic and automatic
    firearms. 6.1 63%
    - Preventing sales of all firearms to people who have been reported as
    dangerous to law enforcement by a mental health provider. 6.0 87%
    - Requiring all owners to report lost or stolen firearms. 6.0 88%
    - Banning the sale and ownership of all ammunition magazines with a
    capacity greater than 10 bullets. 5.8 63%
    - Requiring that all firearms be recorded in a national registry. 5.7 70%
    - Expanding screening and treatment for the mentally ill. 5.6 86%
    - Requiring that all gun buyers demonstrate a a ”genuine need” for a gun,
    such as a law enforcement job or hunting. 5.6 49%
    - Requiring all guns to microstamp each bullet with a mark that uniquely
    matches the gun and bullet. 5.5 65%
    - Increasing minimum penalties for people found possessing firearms
    illegally. 5.4 80%
    - Requiring gun dealers to keep, retain and report all gun records and sales
    to the Federal government. 5.4 80%
    - Banning the sale and ownership of assault rifles or similar firearms. 5.0 67%
    - Requiring all gun owners to register their fingerprints. 5.0 72%
    - Preventing sales of all firearms and ammunition to anyone considered
    to be a “known or suspected terrorist” by the F.B.I. 4 89%
    - Requiring a mandatory waiting period of three days after gun is purchased
    before it can be taken home. 4.8 77%
    - Limiting the number of guns that can be purchased to one per month. 4.8 67%
    - Limiting the amount of ammunition you can purchase within a given time
    period. 4.4 64%
    - Requiring that all gun owners store their guns in a safe storage unit. 4.4 76%
    - Banning firearms from all workplace settings nationally. 4.3 60%
    - Requiring that gun buyers complete safety training and a test for their
    specific firearm. 4.1 79%
    - Implementing a national “buy-back” program for all banned firearms and
    magazines, where the government pays people to turn in illegal guns. 3.9 74%
    - Banning firearms from schools and college campuses nationally. 3.8 68%
    - Requiring that all gun owners store their guns with childproof locks. 3.5 82%

    August 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM
Blogger Feodor said...

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/10/upshot/How-to-Prevent-Gun-Deaths-The-Views-of-Experts-and-the-Public.html

    August 11, 2019 at 11:03 AM
Blogger Feodor said...

    Marshal two days ago at Stan's blog: Maybe one day he'll send the plan. I thought with recent events we might see it (not really...he has no plan).

    Craig, yesterday: Feo, posted his list of talking points again.
    Marshal: He'll never provide his complete "plan"
    Marshal: I just looked at Dan's blog... and saw feo's list. I'll have to peruse it for sure.... what he's posted seems smaller than what he's been saying he's provided us

    Marshal and Craig just outed themselves as determined liars and corrupt Christians.

    August 12, 2019 at 6:59 AM
Blogger Feodor said...

    Dan, if you look at Marshal's lates post's comments you'll see two lying, corrupt Christians examining a plan they say isn't a plan and criticizing it without the guts to take on responses from the person who gave it to them while they keep saying he never did.

    Their open lying should be clear to them. That it's not makes clear their moral corruption.

    August 13, 2019 at 9:51 AM
Blogger Feodor said...

    [Sorry, Dan, but I'm counting on you to keep this open reply to an not-open post of Craig's addressed to me but which blocks my participation:]

    Fuck you, Craig. You and Marshal have had the plan for months. You wanted it but you two couldn't get it together and so refused to put the plan up on your blogs. You both have such a need to deny how ignorant and fearful you are that you both have dedicated yourselves to lies.

    LIe 1. You never got it - but you've gotten it four times.
    Lie 2. It's not a plan - it may not be a perfect plan but fuck you, what is a perfect plan?
    Lie 3. There are no details - but you're already arguing with the details: See Marshal's blog.
    Lie 4. It's up to me do anything - it's up to you and the other shallow fake to post the plan. Then we can hash out issues. Take care of your shit and stop being a deceitful coward.

    Where's your plan? Oh, that's right. Your brilliant plan is more guns in more hands.

    And what does ALL the research and all the data and all the math in the us and around the world say about more guns?

    IN EVERY STUDY: THE MORE GUNS THE MORE DEATHS.

    You have a whole hell of a lot of work to do to be a Christian who loves the living.

    August 13, 2019 at 2:04 PM
Blogger Feodor said...

    [Thnks, Dan, for your ever kind forbearance.]

    Open and last comment to Marshal and Craig:

    Marshal in the face of strong, reasoned opposition, you've turned into a corrupt Christian many years ago. Craig, you followed him in recent years. You both block data. You block facts. You even block definitions. You utilize fake, untrained, uneducated sources of information providers who really only provide cant.

    You brutalize the living.

    1. All commendable research has long shown us that most effective way to drastically reduce abortions are the provision of condoms, contraceptives, full and early sex education, full provision of affordable women's healthcare, and female empowerment.

    2. All commendable research has long shown that the more guns, the more gun deaths.

    3. My gun violence reduction plan presents a slate of policies. Take the top ten and put them all into effect in one multi-state region of the US. People will still own guns. Gun deaths will drop dramatically.

    4. You said you blocked me because you did not get a plan (and Craig wanted "details'). Yet, you' have both been writing about my plan for months, and objecting to some details. You may not like it; you may think you have points that oppose some of it. But that wasn't why you blocked me.

    You lied.
http://throughthesewoods.blogspot.com/2019/08/when-remaining-quiet-is-not-loving.html

    This is simply what has happened to half of America's white population. You and people like you are so fragile, that when confronted with the growing consciousness of how America's past and present policies have inherent racist and misogynist and bigoted force, AND that that past and present are deeply shapes by white, western, slave trade economy-based Christianity (of which we should truly repent and repair), you have regressed into an reasoning platform and argument-making process dependent upon an internal system of denial, dodge, prevarication, myth-making and irrational defense.

    Having crossed that line for such a long time and with such thorough consistency, your abdication from your 'professed' faith has releases me from the obligation to honor you with respect. Until you repent and repair, and win it back.
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OK, there it is.  Note that last paragraph.  That is not how it works.  No Christian is "released" from the obligation to act like a Christian.  Now, it is true and accurate to say that feo has never crossed any line of respectful behavior, because he began on the wrong side of it and has never stepped across in earnest.  He's NEVER shown respect for others because he's been way too busy expecting respect FROM others.  Thus, I don't expect he'll act any different now and thus no one should expect to see any comment of his last for longer than it takes for me to see it, recognize he hasn't what it takes to act like the Christian he laughingly expects people to believe he is, and then delete it. 

But let's make some comments about his "plan" and get this started.

"Dan, here is the plan to markedly reduce deaths from guns that Marshal and Craig have gotten three times in the last year but claim they haven't gotten or didn't get in the right wary and won't share with each other."

feo expected Craig and I "to share" bits and pieces he posted at either of our blogs as if he has any authority or status to make such demands, rather than simply man up and post the whole thing in one place and dig in his heels for the more rational opinions that it would provoke.  So part of his plan was to keep it from being posted in one place where it could be mocked in its entirety.

"They've lied, avoided, made excuses, but, obviously cannot refute the data, culled from experts on gun policy effectiveness and supported by Americans."

I've done much to present my own notions about how to decrease the criminal use of guns ("gun violence" is an idiotic term for what the problem is).  I began here and continued here, here, here, here (man, I did a lot!), and then I get into feo' "plan" as it was at the time, incomplete, evidently, and for good reason since it sucked.  My original responses were here and here.

What we're going to see in the ensuing posts is that there is absolutely no data indicating any of the suggestions listed above are in any way effective.  Indeed, the "experts" surveyed were merely asked "to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities."  feo provided absolutely no evidence that they were effective in any way!

So all of the above is merely prelude to the more fun dismantling of feo's "plan", as I had done so effectively as seen in the last two links provided above.  I can't wait for the next installment.  feo will be much more geeked about it as well.