I never really expect that Dan will ever change his spots...that his character will ever improve and he will behave toward others as he demands they behave for him. That would be foolish. But now and then, especially when lacking better things to do or the motivation to find them, I do visit his Blog of Lies and Perversions to see what Lies and Perversions he's chosen to spew since my last visit. Often, the visit is compelled by his having visited other blogs without getting satisfaction for his nonsensical hunches, opinions and human traditions. (He'd have to visit a lefty blog for that!)
Anyway, there's a post referenced in one of my recent posts which is tied to recent discussions where he embarrasses himself as usual. A point of contention is his penchant for responding to intelligent, truthful and factual expressions about groups he favors with reference to alleged "past abuses and oppression". I say "alleged" because he's never specific about what he means. That doesn't matter as his true intention is to stifle or censor that which he cannot overcome. Thus, he seeks to appeal to his opponent by reminding his opponent of these unnamed "past abuses and oppression", as if past abuse is relative in any way to the point raised and defended by his opponent. Indeed, any and every criticism, regardless of its merit, ist verboten because the group meriting that criticism was abused and/or oppressed in the past. More so, the criticism itself is regarded by Dan as abuse and oppression, too!
Yeah. I know. He's a real freaking moron.
So, as I was clarifying my position, and doing so in the most "respectful, adult" manner, he nonetheless chose to delete my comments and do his bit where he responds to out of context snippets. He doesn't make his position any stronger by doing so, nor is he honest in the attempt because the context is missing due to his having deleted it. Naturally, my first inclination is to again provide clarity to that which he's corrupted to posture as "morally and rationally superior", as well as to condescend and disparage. In this case, after bouncing from one "abused and oppressed" group to another depending upon how difficult it was for him to counter the truths, facts and logic of my arguments, he fell upon islam and my position that all immigration of muslims to our nation should be suspended (and most muslims already here deported).
In supposing that there's actually something wrong with a Christian expecting his government to deny entry to the most violent and oppressive group of people in the world, with almost 1400 years of history to back up that charge and numerous examples in the here and now around the world, Dan pretends he's the rational one for supposing we must judge each muslim individually as if his "religion" doesn't encourage the very violence and oppression I expect my government to spare us. How does he do this? By citing an article about who is more violent: Christians or muslims. He expects me to "educate" myself with this:
https://www.christiancentury.org/article/2010-04/body-counts
As we all know by now, Dan merely grabs whatever he thinks supports his position based on the title of the piece alone, never actually studying what he offers or vetting it for error or accuracy. One would think at this point he'd know that I will indeed check out what he presents. So I did. Here is how I responded:
Once again
you prove no intellectual curiosity to support your claims or objections
to mine. Your "Christian Century" link does not provide such
evidentiary support, and no 37-page pamphlet it references could. As is
your habit, you grabbed the first piece you found which only seems to
support your position without actually reviewing and researching it for
accuracy. Here's what I've found:
""Body Count: A Quantitative Review of Political Violence Across World Civilizations" is highly flawed
That
criticism is well-founded. The work appears to have serious
methodological problems that make its headline comparisons unreliable:
---Category error: It assigns deaths to broad religious or
civilizational identities, even though wars are usually driven by
states, regimes, political movements, nationalism, economic interests,
or strategic calculations—not simply religion.
---Problematic
attribution: Counting all deaths in a war against the religion of the
ruling society treats affiliation as causation. That can make ordinary
civilians, opponents, and even victims appear part of a religion’s “body
count.”
---Unclear definitions: “Political violence,” “religious
violence,” “civilization,” and “atheist” need precise operational
definitions. Especially problematic is treating ostensibly secular
communist regimes as an “atheist” category while classifying other
regimes by their majority religion.
---Questionable aggregation:
Combining estimates across thousands of years is highly sensitive to
missing records, changing population sizes, disputed casualty figures,
and inconsistent historical evidence.
---Weak documentation: The
bibliographic information identifies it as a short, 37-page 2009
publication, and available descriptions indicate that its estimates are
rough. Public reader critiques also point to inadequate sourcing and a
lack of a proper reference list—but those reviews are not themselves
peer-reviewed evidence.
---Selection and confirmation bias: A
framework that produces a ranked list of religions or civilizations
risks beginning with the conclusion it wants to demonstrate and then
fitting ambiguous cases into it.
The strongest objection is not
that every number must be wrong; it is that the categories do not
support the causal conclusions. At most, the study might estimate deaths
occurring under governments or populations associated with particular
civilizational labels. It cannot validly establish that Christianity,
Islam, atheism, or any other identity “killed” a given number of people
without a defensible causal model.
A better study would code
specific actors and mechanisms, distinguish combatant from civilian
deaths, report uncertainty ranges, preserve competing scholarly
estimates, normalize by population and time period, and avoid assigning
collective guilt to entire religions or civilizations."
It's you who's lacking in education, while totally devoid of sense, honesty, or Christian character.
It's like responding to the lefty's typical pro-"gay" parenting studies! It's just the conclusion which matters to those like Dan. Not how the author/researcher came to it.
But I stand by my position regarding muslims. It's too bad that some truly good people might be denied what our country has to offer. I don't know how we can be assured that this next muslim isn't the next guy who'll fly a plane into a building with hundreds of people in it for "allah!" We can't be assured that a person who's faith teaches lying to further the goals of the "faith" is truly the good dude he might appear to be. Why risk it? My people are more important to me than any foreigner, particularly those who come from muslim majority nations. Here's a little something which makes the point well:
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2017/02/know-nothings-catholic-muslim-immigration-william-kilpatrick.html
ALREADY AN UPDATE!!!!
Wow! I've been watching this guy a few times in recent days. Harris Sultan, a "former" muslim, who's out of Australia, I believe, but seems to be enamored with that country as well as the U.S.A. and the U.K. He understands what Dan pretends isn't true and isn't a concern. He has a notion of what constitutes a "good" muslim and it's pretty much a "former" muslim. He opposes immigration of muslims because they do not hide what they want to see happen on a global scale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9QLybBXk6s
Wednesday, August 19, 2026
No Legit Argument Against Muslim Ban
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Dan tends to see people as part of groups, and to assign the sins of the worst to everyone he puts in a particular group. Except for his favored/pet groups. He further expects some groups to be considered currently culpable for sins of the past as if those sins were being actively promoted. While simultaneously ignoring groups/religions/worldviews that actively engage in the very sins he decries. Slavery, child rape and marriage, forced marriage, FGM, oppression of women, oppression/execution of gays, racism/antisemitism, and the rest of his greatest hits are all alive and well today, while he'll bitch endlessly about some OT example.
That he magical source, doesn't prove what he thinks it does is a given.
In general, as far as reward/punishment goes, I tend toward the position that people should be evaluated individually and not (as Dan tends to do) by what group they may be a part of.
In this I part company with both of you perhaps. Certainly from Dan.
How I treat or relate to people is one thing, and I do treat people on their own merits. With regard to muslims, there's a different standard due to their history and teachings. I can't change either, and to ignore them in order to posture as Christian isn't Christian at all, given how false it would be for me to do so. I had muslim neighbors from Bosnia for three years or more. They were not Arabs, but Eastern Europeans. They did not appear to be devout and keen on living the American dream as most Americans understand it. They did not speak their native language to their children (though the parents of one of them spoke no English). We got on famously.
I've worked with muslims on multiple occasions and never had issues, though I can't attest to how devout they were, either. Others were no more than in my vicinity on a regular basis, but not working or living closely.
By "devout", I refer mostly to how like the typical imams we've seen on videos. That is, how strictly to they adhere to and believe the teachings of islam that stupid people like Dan pretend have some parallel in Christian teachings. And because of the teachings of islam, I'd be a fool to believe I need not sleep with one eye open, so to speak. Yet, I strive to treat them as trustworthy until they give me better reason not to.
As for government, that's an entirely different story. Government has only one duty, and that's to serve its people and put them above all others. As such, treating non-citizens like "individuals" is not an obligation where the safety of its own people are concerned. It is prudent and pragmatic to consider what Dan would call "past abuses and oppression" when considering whether or not to treat foreigners at all. Islam's 1400 year history of abuse and oppression justifies denying all muslims entry without the most extreme level of vetting proving an individual can be allowed in. Indeed, it is the duty and obligation of our government to impose the strictest of criteria upon muslims from anywhere and in particular from muslim majority arabic nations. My personal fears have no bearing on this policy. Dan's irrational posturing that no one need fear at all should be ignored as the stupidity is clearly is when deciding policy.
Look, you’ve been clear for a while that you have no problem with the government discriminating against Muslims as a group without regard to the actions of individuals.
Feel free to go with that if you want.
Given the tone of this comment, I'm going to assume it belongs to Craig, who has himself begun a policy of withholding the posting of anonymous submissions. I won't get too bent about no name attached to this, as I still forget to attach my name when submitting from my phone. But still...
Thanks for permission to do what I'm doing anyway. I didn't need it, but thanks. But as I made quite clear, and your many islam-focused posts at your blog helps to affirm, the rationale behind this policy I support is well established. It's not my...or more importantly, my government's concern that there may be some unverifiable percentage of muslims who are peaceful and actually want to be Americans. Indeed, I regard this as something about which one can take for granted. My position is that due to the history and teachings of islam, and the many examples of their leaders stating plainly their goals, I insist my government would not be doing its duty to allow any muslims entry without the most stringent of vetting beforehand, and a distinct consequence of benefit to our nation. Nonsense about self-determination and seeking a better life presumes a people without such a history and policy of savagery.
Conversely, I most emphatically do NOT encourage you to feel free to take any other position not aligned with mine for the sake of my nation.
And again, please try to remember to sign your name to your comments sent from your phone
Sorry, that was me.
It’s not permission so much as an acknowledgement that you’ve staked out a position which you believe to be unassailable and I’m simply acknowledging that. If that’s how you want to live that’s your choice.
Craig
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