In light of Dan's insistence that it is our side who votes for and supports the wicked and incompetent, I off this nowhere near comprehensive list of countervailing evidence. It also points to Dan's claim that he calls out his own when they do wrong. Pretending he's capable of identifying wrong in the first place, I present this list someone posted on FB...almost all of which is verifiable. I may add to it later.
When millions of illegals were ushered in through the southern border, you said nothing!
When they abandoned millions of dollars worth of military equipment in Afghanistan, you said nothing!
When they flaunted a two-tier justice system, one for them and one for everyone else, you said nothing!
When they covered up the Hunter Biden laptop, you said nothing!
When they passed a trillion-dollar infrastructure bill that failed miserably, you said nothing!
When they forced Americans to take an untested vaccine, you said nothing!
When inflation crushed the middle class, you said nothing!
When they sent billions to Ukraine, you said nothing!
When chemicals polluted the water in East Palestine, Ohio and they ignored it, you said nothing!
When Americans were raped, robbed and murdered by illegals, you said nothing!
When they implanted Kamala as the presidential nominee without getting a single vote, you said nothing!
When billionaire and anti-American George Soros funded dozens of AG elections, you said nothing!
When they turned our classrooms into liberal indoctrination camps, you said nothing!
When they spent our tax dollars on inmates transition surgeries, you said nothing!
When they gave the citizens of Hawaii $700 after losing their entire city, you said nothing!
When they gave free money, food and 5-star hotel lodging to illegals, you said nothing!
When they came for our free speech, you said nothing!
When DEI weakened the military and put our national security at risk, you said nothing!
When they colluded with the media to push false reports, you said nothing!
When it was open season on law enforcement and criminals reigned, you said nothing!
When they weaponized the justice system to take down their political opponents, you said nothing!
When the bureaucrats took over the White House and ran the government, you said nothing!
When they covered up Biden's rapidly declining mental state, you said nothing!
When they groomed our kids in school and hid it from the parents, you said nothing!
When the drug epidemic exploded and 1000s died annually, you said nothing!
When they accosted the Jews on their campuses, you said nothing!
When they weaponized the intelligence agencies against Americans, you said nothing!
When they spent $45 million dollars on "Diversity and Inclusion" scholarships in Burma, you said nothing!
When they let men play women's sports, you said nothing!
When they chanted "Death to America" and burned our flag, you said nothing!
When they shut down our energy production and emboldened Russia, you said nothing!
When the crime rates in American cities increased, you said nothing!
While thousands of veterans were left to sleep out on the streets, you said nothing!
When 300,000 migrant children went missing and no one had a clue, you said nothing!
When Joe Biden pardoned his friends and family, you said nothing!
When they sent billions to Iran and inadvertently funded Hamas, you said nothing!
When men were celebrated for pretending to be women, you said nothing!
When they let a Chinese Spy Ballon sail across America, you said nothing!
When 50 intelligence agents all lied to bury the Hunter Biden laptop as Russian disinformation, you said nothing!
When American citizens were taken hostage and held for a year in Gaza, you said nothing!
When Facebook admitted, they conspired with the Biden administration to censor the truth, you said nothing!
When they cleaned the streets of San Francisco for the communist Chinese President Xi Jinping, you said nothing!
When Fauci and the WHO peddled covid 19 virus lies and covered up the origins, you said nothing!
When they sealed the January 6th commission files or "lost them", you said nothing!
You
saw the corruption, the lies, the bad policy, the anti-American agenda
and said nothing, so please spare us your crocodile tears and all your
fake hysteria now. For 4 years you watched this country get run into the
ground on all fronts and you said nothing!
29 comments:
Racists said...
"When millions of illegals were ushered in through the southern border, you said nothing!"
When millions of decent human beings simply try to move from one place to another, either to be safer or more secure or to make a better life, to work hard and do good, you demonize and attack them. What, in the name of all that is holy, is wrong with you? What diabolical oppressors do that kind of shit?
Point one, dismantled. What you're saying is a shame and an embarrassment to you and your kind, not to us.
Dan
Idiots unfamiliar with reality said...
"When they abandoned millions of dollars worth of military equipment in Afghanistan, you said nothing..."
Of course we did. We told you all when your president, Bush, started this criminal, illegal, and ill-advised invasion in Afghanistan that there would be simply no good ways to exit from such situations. We told you not to do it.
You all did it.
That's on YOU not on us. You set up an unwinnable situation that we finally ended poorly, as we said there was no good way to end it. That's only on y'all.
Silly little childish argument number 2, dismantled. How long do you want to do this?
DAN
Idiots said...
"When they flaunted a two-tier justice system, one for them and one for everyone else, you said nothing!"
This simply did not happen in the real world. You are delusional. People who believe this are delusional. Instead y'all decry weaponizing the justice system and yet y'all are the ones who are doing it not us. That's on y'all.
Silly little childish argument number three, dismantled.
I can do this all day. Give up. When you are starting with ridiculous, uneducated arguments, you're always going to fail. You are only embarrassing yourself.
Dan
If you think that's "dismantled", I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Well Art, Dan disagrees with you and he's used one of his magical incantations to dismiss anyone else who disagrees with you. He's announced that your points are "dismantled" therefore they are officially "dismantled". No amount of proof, evidence, DATA, or argument will re-mantle them again. You've been Humpty Dumptied.
"Decent" humans beings are generally identified by how they abide the law, be it God's or man's. Your "millions of 'decent' human beings" willfully and intentionally sought to evade the limitations of our laws in order to gain access to a nation run by a bad joke you stupidly identified as more fit for office than Donald Trump. They knew his administration being in charge would reduce their risk of deportation, and among the falsely labeled "decent" were tons of dangerous people who brought about a great deal of death and suffering. YOUR KIND SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT. Instead, you sought and continue to seek to legitimize illegal behavior by your "decent human beings" and ignore all the bad which came across the border with them. You ignored as well and said nothing about the harm your "decent human beings" suffered by those paid by them to transport them, and by others among them.
Then, like the lying sack of shit you've long proven yourself to be, you pretend "demonizing and attacks" against them are in no way justified. They're law-breakers at best, and that's a legitimate label...not "demonizing" or unjustly attacking them. We have a system which allows truly decent people to enter our country, to become citizens and welcomed as fellow citizens, or to avail themselves of temporary work. YOUR KIND repeatedly and consistently ignores our laws right along with them putting our own people at risk, while you fancy your sorry asses as compassionate for the down-trodden, few of whom have been identified from among the hordes who aren't down-trodden at all. What kind of diabolical pieces of shit do that to their own nation. Those like YOU, and you dare accuse better people for daring to enforce the law. You're a shame and embarrassment to mankind.
No you didn't, you lying sack of shit. What's more, your sorry asses disparaged Bush for going after Hussein in Iraq. You're own crack-smoking "light-bringer" who enjoys a good blow job from a homosexual while toking on the pipe referred to Bush's efforts in Afghanistan as necessity.
But what's really the point here is the withdrawal by Biden and leaving to scumbags $80 billion in sophisticated military hardware (some say the number is more like $30 billion, but whatever!). About THAT you haters said nothing, because you care more for your marxist partisanship than the safety and welfare of your country and your country's allies.
Furthermore, there's no such thing as an "unwinnable" situation, unless you're a loser "progressive" who hasn't a clue about what it takes to defeat an enemy. Your kind whined about "exit strategies" when the only such strategy comes down to two options for the enemy: total unconditional surrender (that is, surrender on our terms exclusively) or total annihilation.
Thus, you've again dismantled nothing. You just spewed your ignorant hateful crap and labeled it a victory. F**king Black Knight!
I've no doubt you can do this all day. Losing fabulously is your thing and thus you're not likely discontinue your laughable attempts to win which provide you no path to victory. Why would I give up to one who loses so consistently?
Here we have but to point to you specifically to demonstrate the "progressive" penchant for double-standards and thus a "two-tiered justice system". To wit:
You disparage Trump for his womanizing, yet ignore actual examples of abusive behavior toward women by a man you lionize, canonize and worship as almost god-like, MLK JR. In case after case I've pointed out how you elevate the purity and angelic nature of those you present as examples of such, ignoring their faults completely (often lauding them for faults you recognize as moral or morally benign), while focusing on the faults of those whose positions are righteous and true (not that you ever proved them otherwise) and never mention a single positive, beneficial thing they've done. Trump is your major victim of this grace embracing lying and hatred. Biden spend half a century lying and doing nothing to provide an honest and intelligent person a reason to vote for him...your party itself promoting lies on their platform...yet cling to the laughable WaPo tally of "30,000" lies told by Trump in his first thirty seconds as president. You're a tool. A sad and pathetic lying ignorant tool who does no more vetting and investigation than to read a headline or hear one of your marxist overlords tell you what to think.
But here are examples of the two-tiered system you pretend wasn't obvious from those you support like the useful idiot you are:
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/09/4-in-5-americans-see-two-tiered-justice-system-poll/
https://hageman.house.gov/media/op-eds/rep-harriet-hageman-americas-two-tiered-system-justice-cannot-stand
https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/08/10/america-has-a-two-tiered-justice-system-and-the-fbi-just-proved-it/
https://hannity.com/media-room/hannity-even-more-proof-of-the-two-tiered-justice-system/
https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/09/second-trump-indictment-is-proof-of-two-tiered-justice-system/
https://dailycaller.com/2023/07/20/opinion-our-two-tiered-justice-system-was-here-long-before-biden-jenny-beth-martin/
The next two which follows provides a twist which doesn't commend your kind. They try to project your two-tiered justice system onto victims of it.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-is-right-about-mar-a-lago-espionage-act-case-exposing-two-tiered-justice-system-but-not-for-the-reason-he-thinks/
Being a common liar, you dare suggest that Trump's righteous investigations into actual examples of wrongdoing is "weaponizing"...which is akin to saying a cop arresting a car thief is "weaponizing" the law. You're an idiot of the worst kind, because you simply won't abide truth and facts.
So yeah, chucklhead...bring it on. You're 0 for 3 so far.
"Dismantled" my ass!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-rip-gop-appropriating-two-tier-justice-system-black-americans-hunter-biden-hearing
INTERRUPTION!!!
Note the hat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxfjNJ-euAo
He's clearly a nazi! Probably a black white Christian nationalist nazi!
Dan's abject ignorance and denial of reality just gets worse by the day. He has become so brainwashed to the LEFT that facts have no affect on him at all. He's gotta be one of the stupidest people I've ever come across.
His counters are just his typical "Nyuh uh" nonsense. We're not wrong. He just doesn't want us to be right.
Glenn...
"Dan's abject ignorance and denial of reality just gets worse by the day. He has become so brainwashed to the LEFT that facts have no affect on him at all. He's gotta be one of the stupidest people I've ever come across."
There is that grace that conservatives are known for, he said sarcastically.
Just look at your first point and the one I responded to first. You refer to the human beings who are migrating into the U.S. to try to save their lives or just get to a better place. You call them the dehumanizing and graceless, "illegals."
But use your brain, use your reason, use your moral understanding. At the very least you have to acknowledge that I've got a strong case, much stronger than y'all have from simply a rational moral and biblical point of view.
1. There's nothing inherently harmful or wrong in moving from one place to another. It is a morally neutral thing at worst.
2. When you add to it the notion of moving from one place to another to save your life or the life of your family, to escape harm, to just have a better chance at succeeding in life, there is nothing inherently immoral or harmful in that.
That's simply a rational point of view. Can you agree that far?
3. Add to that, for those who value the biblical teachings, one of the single most repeated commands to Israel and to the early church was to welcome the stranger, to welcome immigrants, not to abuse immigrants, not to abuse the poor, not to cause harm to come to the poor or to immigrants or their children. Over and over and over that is one of the single most repeated commands or rules for Israel and the early church. Just as an observable point of fact in looking at the pages of the Bible.
Can you agree on that objective reality?
4. Additionally, in the US, we are by definition a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have made us great. It has been objectively wonderful and beautiful and good for our nation that we have been a nation that welcomes immigrants. As I have noted before, my ancestors escaped religious persecution in Europe only because we could escape to the Americas. If they had turned us away, our lives may have ended in Europe.
That story is not unique to my family. It is the story that many, if not most, of our ancestors have. Escaping harm is an objectively reasonable and moral reason to move from one place to another. Can you agree with that obvious reality?
Cont'd...
Dan
Dan, no lover of truth, honor and integrity, exposes his falseness once again...as we know he can't help but do. There's nothing "dehumanizing and graceless" by referring to those who dehumanize themselves by gracelessly crossing our borders illegally as "ILLEGAL aliens"...because that's what they're action have made them. You're a liar (no freaking kidding!) by suggesting speaking truthfully about law-breakers indicts the speaker of truth.
"At the very least you have to acknowledge that I've got a strong case, much stronger than y'all have from simply a rational moral and biblical point of view."
No. We do not because YOU do not have a case at all, much less one which is moral or Biblical. Given your lack of a brain, your absence of reason and your moral corruption, you pervert to make your false case.
1. There's nothing inherently wrong with moving from place to place if one is doing it according to established laws enacted to regulate such movement for the benefit of the host environment's people. We who are not marxist, anti-Christ liberation theologians like you call it breaking the law to do so in a way which conflicts with established law enacted for OUR benefit...which is the purpose of government...to act on behalf of OUR benefit.
2. We also have policies for lending aid to those who are truly threatened by actual harm (wanting a bigger paycheck doesn't qualify). Sneaking in without concern for those proper protocols demonstrates the claim of fleeing legit danger is most likely untrue, and more often than not, it has NOT been determined danger was the motivation. Unless one is fleeing danger from a border nation, it is unlikely to be true given safe destinations are almost always available way before one can get to our country. That's simply the absolute fact of the matter with regard to your excuses for allowing illegal entry.
3. You are again perverting Scripture to defend your disregard for the welfare of your own country. If YOU want to sponsor an immigrant and risk your family's safety and finances on the immigrant's behalf, do so. That's legal. Just pretend like you're an actual Christian and think of your fellow Americans (especially your neighbors) when doing so, most especially by confirming their intention to become Americans in the manner intended by our immigration policies.
In the meantime, all such Scriptural teachings assume the "stranger" abides the Law, not exist within the nation on THEIR terms, as seems more common than not regarding the millions of illegal invaders your kind invites across our border illegally.
4. Nobody here gives a flying fuck about your ancestors who, I would assume, were not in breach of the laws of our nation as they were at the time of their immigration. That we are made up of people who chose to come here to be Americans...LEGAL IMMIGRANTS...is not an honest argument for allowing illegal invaders to remain in this country.
What's more, at no time in our nation's past were immigrants allowed to enter simply because they insisted they should be. They were required to meet standards set forth in law and many were denied. But at least most attempted to seek permission rather than enter without regard for getting it. So your attempt to "dismantle" has again been easily dismantled by using actual "reason" based on fact, truth and logic.
5. As we've noted, free movement from place to place is a basic human right. There's nothing inherently harmful or wrong or immoral in moving from point A to point B. That's just obvious. It's a human right.
6. To this you reply with the morally and rationally weak response that your type often does....
"humans beings are generally identified by how they abide the law, be it God's or man's. Your "millions of 'decent' human beings" willfully and intentionally sought to evade the limitations of our laws"
This, of course, is not a moral or rational given. There are, of course, bad laws. Laws that SHOULD be broken or ignored. You almost certainly agree with this. If you were a German and the law was determined that Jewish people should go to death camps, you probably would agree that not only is that a bad law but good people should actively disobey that law. Even if you don't agree with that reasonable moral conclusion, I'm guessing most people do.
Do you agree with the rest of the rational world that some laws should be disobeyed? Laws that cause harm, for instance?
6a. In our world, in the freedom-loving world, there are laws that allow for refugees to seek safety, to legally move to other nations. A good number of people who are here, who are not naturalized citizens, came here using the right processes that were in place to, of course, allow for refugees to simply seek safety. It is a sick and graceless and mean-spirited and cruel nation that turns away refugees. If you had a child knocking on your door asking to be saved from the bad men outside and you did not let them in, shame on you. That is the moral sin, not seeking safety. Again this is just common sense morality, not to mention biblical morality. Agreed so far?
Do you agree that the household who turns away a child seeking safety - even if that child broke in and hid in their house - the household that kicked that child out to where dangerous men were waiting, that person would be the sinner, not the child?
If you can't agree to that obvious example, there's something broken about your morality and you need to get some spiritual help.
More...
Dan
"Titus Turtle"
I've saved your submission in the event you comply with my request, which you should have in an email reply to your attempt to post. In case you missed it, I need at minimum, an explanation regarding how the poem you submitted has any relevance to this post.
"dehumanizing and graceless, 'illegals'."
Dehumanizing?!?!?!? They come here illegally, knowing they are coming illegally and to call them what they are is just 100% true.
Really. The claim is absurd. Referring to someone by their actions/behavior isn't "dehumanizing" if the actions/behaviors themselves are not. Indeed, they are indeed still "human", but humans who broke the law. Given the law they broke, they are officially "illegal aliens".
5. Who is "we"? Again, it must be you and your head lice. There's no "we" who have "noted" that free movement from place to place regardless or irrespective of existing laws regulating said movement is a "basic human right". There is no "basic human right" to break laws. None. It is immoral to cross a border outside the established laws for doing so by the nation across whose borders one chooses to cross. We who actually adhere to both Christian principles and the laws of the United States of America note this absolute truth.
6. You lying piece of shit. You purposely misquote me in order to make your false case. Why did you omit the first word of the sentence of mine you quoted? Here it is again, liar:
"Decent" humans beings are generally identified by how they abide the law, be it God's or man's.
The distinction is essential to my point regarding what constitutes "decent human beings" which you believe includes those who willfully and consciously break our laws. Law-breakers are not entitled to the label "decent". More true is that those who defend law-breakers are unworthy of the label as well.
"This, of course, is not a moral or rational given."
It is both rational and a moral given, because it is true.
"There are, of course, bad laws."
Irrelevant. As is the rest of the paragraph which follows.
"Do you agree with the rest of the rational world that some laws should be disobeyed?"
Along with still being irrelevant, special notice is given to the laughable notion that you are qualified intellectually to determine what is rational. Further, our immigration laws do NOT "cause harm". Ignoring them to enter our nation clearly has caused tons of harm, including to those crossing illegally themselves. You're a moron.
6a. I've already stated that we have laws in place for addressing legitimate asylum/refugee situations. This fact makes illegal crossings even more egregious (given they didn't have to break the law) as well as unnecessary (given they didn't have to break the law).
Thanks for another stupid analogy. You really need to stop trying to compose one, since you've proven yourself so bad at doing it.
Here are the laws in our freedom-loving country from the Office of Homeland Security Statistics:
A refugee is a person outside his or her country of nationality who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her country of nationality because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. An asylee is a person who meets the definition of refugee and is already present in the United States or is seeking admission at a port of entry. Refugees are required to apply for Lawful Permanent Resident (“green card”) status 1 year after being admitted, and asylees may apply for green card status 1 year after their grant of asylum.
Nothing here suggests one can simply cross our border without regard to our laws and be considered either an asylee or a refugee, nor does it suggest they can remain without meeting conditions. WE get to determine if they are truly worthy of these status labels and if they do not meet the remaining criteria for green card acquisition, they are subject to deportation. Note also there is nothing about merely wanting a better life.
It should also be noted that simply because someone truly fleeing mortal danger can't prove to our satisfaction that said danger actually exists and is denied entry, that doesn't make the laws regulating such things wrong nor does it justify breaking or changing the laws. Nor would it indict the moral character of household who turns away a "child" (what?...4 yrs old?...12 yrs old?....19 yrs old?) who fails to convince the household of the danger from which the child claims to be avoiding by breaking and entering the home without consent. Most people would call the police anyway, which is a consideration of the rule of law as well as a compassionate move given the child's story. Border police would or ICE would likely protect a child who sneaks across the border for such a reason, but likely the child would be running from other illegals your kind invited to cross illegally.
Thus, your "obvious" example is obviously crap and it is your "morality" which is hopelessly broken and I encourage you to find an actual Christian minister to help mend it, if mending is possible...which seems unlikely, but I hope that's not the case.
Oh, yeah....You're a moron.
The literal legal terminology for those who come to this country outside of the established legal process is Illegal Alien. It is an accurate and completely appropriate term to use to describe them...
The problem with Dan's premise (That it is morally neutral for people to move wherever they want, whenever they want) is that it ignores certain realities. On the small scale we call people who move into houses that they do not won or rent, squatters and remove them. Likewise with people who decide to camp in either public or private property where camping is not allowed.
On a larger scale, the reality is that virtually every country has SOME degree of legal process which those who want to immigrate, visit, or pass through, must follow.
Strangely enough, we see places like Egypt with their massive wall that prevents anyone from Gaza from entering Egypt, and Israel which has multiple checkpoints where those in Gaza or the West Bank can legally cross into Israel, and Dan seeing this DATA obviously vilifies Israel.
Dan simply chooses to ignore the legal/regulated/vetting part of things when he constructs his fantasy world.
5. You've made this claim twice in your little list, yet you haven't proven that your claim ir True. You've simply asserted this claim and asserted that thsi clai is magically established.
6. Pointing out that virtually every country on earth has laws that regulate immigration/migration/tourism for non citizens is not a moral issue at all. It's simply noting reality. It's almost like you are claiming that having laws to regulate the borders and sovereignty of nations is objectively immoral. A belief which you haven't proven.
6a. Providing a temporary safe haven does not entitle the one in danger permanent anything. If I allowed a child, running from danger, to seek sanctuary in my house and then just kept the child there permanently CPS might have something to say about that. As noted earlier and elsewhere, this absurd notion is akin to someone entering your home, and automatically being added to the title.
I came upon this yesterday or the day before. Dealing with a death in the family right now so I can't guarantee when submitted comments will be published today, but any wait shouldn't be long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYyHDiTSQYs
ED
Please resubmit your comment in a different way. Thanks.
ED,
Try again without pretending you don't know what I mean, or don't try at all. I don't need another troll, even from my side of the ideological divide.
That the millions of illegal aliens were allowed across the border without the same COVID screenings that the rest of us were subject to speaks volumes about how the ASPL prioritize poliical gain over harm. Likewise the refusal to enforce COVID protocols at BLM riots/protests.
"Illegal Alien" is the term used to refer to people who enter the US without following immigration laws and procedures. That you are not smart enough to realize this and the "illegals" is merely a contraction of the legal term, doesn't bode well for your ability to read for understanding.
1. It is currently ILLEGAL in almost every country on the planet. As you have no objective moral standard to support this claim, I fail to see why anyone would take it seriously.
2. As long as one does so within the prescribed legal process, then there is no problem. When one chooses to ignore the legal process due to greed (how else can one describe the desire to accumulate more income/wealth), then the reason doesn't make the failure to follow the law any less.
3. The simplistic and surface reading your politics into the Biblical text doesn't bode well for you. Nor does using justifications used by CNs.
4. LEGAL immigrants.
Dan's commitment to massive, stone age, unrestricted migration stops the minute the topic turns to any country other than the US. Mexico and Canada have strict immigration policies, and silence. Egypt, as you note. Muslim countries in general, very strict. Dan casts this as some sort of meta principle of free movement, yet ignores the reality everywhere else.
Strangely enough, the only places where immigrants want to enter illegally are Western countries. One wonders what The West did that other cultures failed to do.
Holy shit, you people are still doing this.
Holy. Shit.
Les??? Bucks fan??? Risk veteran?? Yes. Still doing this. It's not like it used to be, but it'll do. There are new things in the world worthy hashing out as well as the same old same old. Feel free to jump in at any time. It won't hurt. Brewers suck.
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