Just saw this over at Wintery Knight's blog:
https://winteryknight.com/2024/02/15/how-is-dont-judge-compassion-working-out-in-denver-colorado/
In reading this, it came to mind fallacious arguments about how much we benefit financially by hordes of invaders flowing across our border. It was never a matter of comparing the value of actual legal immigrants, be they those on work visas to those who seek to become Americans and live here forever. It was always a question of the illegal aliens and the alleged value to our nation lefties insist they provide. It's never been the case. It's far, far less so now. There's only one solution to the massive costs to We The People...We The Actual Citizens Of The United States of America...and that's to close off the border in whatever way not only prevents illegal crossings, but to dissuade foreigners from believing it's worth the trek to try.
Closing the border is the only way. That doesn't mean no immigration, just that anyone who chooses to come here, to work or to become an American, must come it only through the front door, AKA: official ports of entry. Thus, if we put up more razor wire, as in Texas, or finish the border wall started by Trump, or finish the border wall started by Trump but with razor wire on top of it, the main thing is to prevent invaders from entering, or make especially difficult to try. That means monitoring for tunneling and caving in any tunnels which exist or are under construction. Just think of it: if we cave in a tunnel, and cartel assholes die, who would want to try to come in via a criminally constructed tunnel?
We also have to send back any and every illegal now in the country. It doesn't matter if we'll succeed in finding them all. But if we send back everyone caught, regardless of how long they've been in the country, and send them back with just enough of their money to feed themselves for a few days, weeks or months (I'm easy), odds are many illegals will begin making arrangements to return home, rather than be put out like the cat with nothing but their collars.
This is what's known as "just consequences for bad behavior"...the bad behavior being ignoring our sovereignty and immigration laws. All of them...man, woman or child...especially all those military aged young men...need to be ejected immediately with extreme prejudice. This needs to happen until such time that the thought of trying to enter our nation illegally is widely regarded as not worth the risk.
"What of those fleeing danger?" knee-jerk asshats will ask. They'll be dealt with as they always have...on a case by case basis to determine who is really in danger versus all those who simply say they are. And if we ever err in accurately determining one from the other, the blame is on all those who lied to exploit that avenue of entry, not on us.
Once again, our government's priority is us, not foreigners. Never foreigners over us as is happening now.
Over and above all I've suggested so far, that which towers in importance over all of that good stuff, is to never, ever allow any leftists to take part in determining border policy, immigration law or who can enter and why they should be allowed to do so.
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"Then GOD will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me
nothing to eat,
I was thirsty and you gave me
nothing to drink,
I was a stranger and
you did not invite me in,
I needed clothes and
you did not clothe me,
I was sick and in prison and
you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer,
‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“GOD will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’"
-Actual words from Jesus
May God have more mercy on your sad, lifeless, loveless, graceless soul than you are willing to extend.
Dan
Yawn. Most Americans don't share your assessment on this issue anyway. Next...
Dan,
Absolutely nothing in my position as stated in this post justifies your false distortion of it. As I stated, the United States can both seal the border, restrict entry or close it off entirely and still provide for the truly needy.
At the same time, I thank you for helping to make my point against listening to those like you in determining immigration policy and border enforcement. You're a moron and don't care enough about your fellow Americans to be more than a clear and present danger to them, all for the purpose of posturing as something you're not...an intelligent, sensible and actual Christian.
Abusing Scripture to rationalize your marxism won't work out well for you in the end. I encourage you to spend the rest of your life in actual serious and prayerful study of Scripture.
"Brandon",
Most Americans actually do align more closely with my position than are opposed to it. Find a grownup and ask.
Absolutely nothing in my position as stated in this post justifies your false distortion of it. As I stated, the United States can both seal the border, restrict entry or close it off entirely and still provide for the truly needy.
The data shows that 90%+ (99%+?) of immigrants are trying to move here EITHER for safety reasons OR for financial reasons. Either their lives are immediately at risk from a direct threat OR their lives are tangentially at risk from indirect threats OR they're just struggling economically to survive.
YOU literally are saying that you don't want to welcome the stranger or feed the poor and hungry IF they are coming here from another nation. You have some TINY little fraction in your heart willing to let those in with a signed note from their assassins that they really are at risk, but you have said you don't care about the tangentially at risk or hungry. "America first," you have said. (as if we can't care for the needy elsewhere and here, at the same time).
Am I mistaken?
You LITERALLY are saying you will NOT welcome the stranger/immigrant in most situations. You're "graciously" allowing them the option to sit in a line that won't ever end and won't result in any help, but telling the "least of these," that "we might help you ONE DAY, YEARS from now. MAYBE." is the same thing as doing nothing for the least of these, in the words of Jesus.
HOW are you welcoming the immigrants, assisting the poor from other nations? With good wishes and a chipper, "God be with you, go back home and die..."?
This passage seems tailor fit to MAGA conservatives and I can see no data to suggest otherwise. Turning a blind eye is PRECISELY what the "goats" did in this parable. Indeed, they were surprised by God's rejection. "WHEN did we not help the poor and needy?" they asked, in genuine-appearing befuddlement.
When you failed to do it for the least of these, you failed to do it for me.
Look, reject immigrants and refugees if you want. But don't pretend that you're not rejecting them. That's just a spit in the eye of Jesus after tossing him out and kicking him to the literal curb.
"The data shows that 90%+ (99%+?) of immigrants are trying to move here EITHER for safety reasons OR for financial reasons."
WHAT data? Why did you not produce it when you chose to cite whatever data you think exists? This is an unproven claim which would have gotten me deleted from your blog of lies.
But let's say it's 100%, since I believe that's what you'd like to say is the case. Out of 100 of them, how many are actually fleeing danger even if not directly aimed at them? Half? Most? How do we confirm their claims? You make your shit comment about a note from their assassins. So you suggest we just take their word for it with no vetting at all.
And what of these "financial reasons"? What percentage are truly impoverished to an extent that justifies coming here, through multiple nations which could have provided for them, as opposed to simply hoping to feed from our welfare troughs?
You just spew crap and hope you come off as sounding all "Christiany" to the stupid.
" YOU literally are saying that you don't want to welcome the stranger or feed the poor and hungry IF they are coming here from another nation."
You're literally lying to say that I'm "literally" saying that which I've never said.
"...but you have said you don't care about the tangentially at risk or hungry."
Not even close. Try again.
""America first," you have said. (as if we can't care for the needy elsewhere and here, at the same time)."
Since the 2020 was stolen from the guy whose policies increased our wealth, we haven't been caring for anyone very well. But by "we", you aren't speaking of you and your head lice. You're simply speaking of OPM.
So yeah, as is so routine, you're greatly mistaken.
"You LITERALLY are saying you will NOT welcome the stranger/immigrant in most situations."
You're literally lying again.
"You're "graciously" allowing them the option to sit in a line that won't ever end and won't result in any help, but telling the "least of these," that "we might help you ONE DAY, YEARS from now. MAYBE." is the same thing as doing nothing for the least of these, in the words of Jesus."
Jesus does not support your corrupted representation of His teaching. The lines are long because assholes like you and those you support politically have told these people they were welcome to come here for any and all reasons and WE...meaning those not named Dan Trabue...will foot the bill. They need not bring anything of benefit to those from whom they demand relief. They should just come and leftist assholes will force others to foot the bill.
Our government has ONE population for which they MUST defend and provide: The American people. Your asshole notions of Christ's teaching put us in a bind as they always do, as if we're a bottomless pit of goodies. Doing this puts a burden on our people in so many ways which have been listed so many times and you don't give a flying rat's ass about it. Providing for these hordes of people who wouldn't be coming here in these numbers but for the abject stupidity of the leftist agenda has put out so many of our own needy by diverting funds which could provide for them to these ungrateful fakes.
"HOW are you welcoming the immigrants, assisting the poor from other nations? With good wishes and a chipper, "God be with you, go back home and die..."?"
What an asshole thing to say, even for an asshole like you.
There's no turning of blind eyes to the needy simply because you're too stupid to see the dangers to our nation by not regulating the flow of people coming here to take what you don't have to give them.
We have seen plenty of evidence that the vast majority of those coming here are NOT "poor and needy" given the clothes they wear, the girth of their physiques and the fact that they pay big bucks to criminal cartels for the ability to get anywhere near our border. This is well documented. Your "data" is bullshit and lacking any legitimate confirmation.
I'm not rejecting anybody but people who refuse to abide our sovereignty and laws. Neither myself individually or this nation as a whole are obliged to take in anybody with a sob story. Immigration law is for OUR benefit. And until you remove the doors from your home, you're a freaking fraud and a liar.
The main point you aren't bright enough to keep in mind is that you've proven yourself the perfect example of why leftists should never be anywhere near discussions on setting or altering immigration law or border policy. It's nice to know I can count on your to prove my point. You're always there for me, and I appreciate it.
Now, go take those infernal doors off your house. They're preventing people from coming in and taking what they want.
What percentage are truly impoverished to an extent that justifies coming here, through multiple nations which could have provided for them, as opposed to simply hoping to feed from our welfare troughs?
How ignorant ARE you of conditions in many places in Central and South America?
Are you COMPLETELY ignorant of the tough conditions in many of these nations? Do you NOT know that many people are truly threatened by, depending on the country, gangs or the government? That many people are economically marginalized?
Are you COMPLETELY ignorant of lifespan in Mexico? In Guatemala? El Salvador? The US?
(fyi: In the US, life expectancy is 77+. In those nations, it's closer to 70 years old. Are you saying that you don't give a damn that they might die at a much younger age than necessary?
Infant mortality is 5 in 1000 in the US. In El Salvador: 13 in 1000. In Nica: 14.6 in 1000. In Mexico: 12.5 in 1000. Babies are more than twice as likely to die in these nations. In Venezuela: 25 in 1000!!
In Venezuela, the poverty rate is 50%! In Mexico: 44%. In Guatemala: 55%! In the US? 12%. Does that not matter to you? Are you ignorant of these conditions? IF you're ignorant, why do you cling to your ignorantly-held positions so strongly? OR, is it the case that you're ignorant of the reality that you're ignorant?)
OF COURSE, people who are 3 and 4x more likely to be poor are going to try to move to a place with a lower poverty rate. OF COURSE, people who are more likely to die young or whose infants are more likely to die will want to move to a place where they might simply live.
But to hell with that, say the "pro-lifers."
"WHEN? Lord... WHEN did we see you in need and not do a damn thing?
When you failed to do it for the Mexicans, for the Nicaraguans, for the Venezuelans, YOU Failed to do it for me."
And it's not enough that you spit in the face of the starving Jesus. You have the audacity to say Jesus is just trying to game the system ("take advantage of our welfare systems"). What a malignant, ugly, graceless Christ-hater you are, son.
Repent.
Again, LITERALLY, these words from Jesus apply to people like you who turn away the needy.
What? Do you actually think these are wealthy, well-off people just seeking to con silly US citizens out of money for the shit and giggles of it?
HOW ignorant are you?
There's no turning of blind eyes to the needy simply because you're too stupid to see the dangers to our nation by not regulating the flow of people coming here to take what you don't have to give them.
WHAT "danger" are you so pissing-in-your-pants cowardly afraid of, boy? That people might seek a better life so their babies don't die?
Why does people seeking to escape danger and poverty make you such a pissant coward and Christ-hater?
Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail
because of the misery that is coming on you.
Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes.
Your gold and silver are corroded.
Their corrosion will testify against you and
eat your flesh like fire.
You have hoarded wealth in the last days.
You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence.
You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter...
Depart from me, you who are cursed,
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat,
I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
I was a stranger and you did not invite me in,
I needed clothes and you did not clothe me,
I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
Instead of worship the bible book, why don't you read it and understand it and repent?
We have seen plenty of evidence that the vast majority of those coming here are NOT "poor and needy" given the clothes they wear, the girth of their physiques and the fact that they pay big bucks to criminal cartels for the ability to get anywhere near our border. This is well documented.
Bullshit stupidity. Good GOD, you have drunk the golden piss kool-aid of trump, your godling pervert.
It's well-documented that people coming here are in dire straits. It's well-documented the circumstances they're escaping. What ISN'T well-documented (because it's so stupidly, "hit me in the head with a 2x4" false) is your vomitous claim that these people are not poor and needy.
GOOD GOD, you've bought into some evil lies and are willing to perpetrate them.
Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that the majority (like, even 50%) of Latin Americans crossing the border are WELL-OFF? Or even middle class?
You can't POSSIBLY be that stupid or ignorant.
Get help, man. Get out of your fake news silos.
Jesus Christ have mercy on your pathetically sad and graceless soul.
Immigration law is for OUR benefit.
Yes, that IS precisely what the "goats" in Jesus' story said, too.
"WHEN, Lord? WHEN did we fail to welcome the immigrants? I mean, you weren't one of those nasty immigrants trying to scam us, were you?"
Repent, son. Get help. Educate yourself. Repent.
Look at the data about immigrants. They're living WELL below our poverty rate. Half of them have less than a high school degree.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US
Do you think that they were well-off and happy in their home countries and CHOSE to come here to live in poverty and uneducated?
OF COURSE, they're moving here either seeking safety or escaping poverty in their home nations. If they were living large in their own nations, wealthy, happy and safe, WHY would they move here, facing great danger and threats of mistreatment and deportation and separation from their families and children?
Seriously: Why DO you think immigrants come here if they're so well-off where they come from?
Your position is irrational and not grounded in reality. It's grounded in fear and abuse of the least of these.
Stop reading right wing lies and start reading Jesus, Mary, John, James, Paul and the Prophets. Then, heed what they say and repent.
Lift yourself out of your own cowardice and ignorance. You can be a better man. Save yourself.
February 19, 2024 at 8:57 PM
"How ignorant ARE you of conditions in many places in Central and South America?"
Not ignorant at all. How ignorant of you of how much these people pay to the cartels who control the other side of our border?
"Are you COMPLETELY ignorant of the tough conditions in many of these nations?"
No.
"Do you NOT know that many people are truly threatened by, depending on the country, gangs or the government?"
No. How many? Put a number on it...a percentage even. Pick a country and tell me how many are proven to be at great risk. Keep in mind how many countries are represented by the hordes pouring through our border.
"That many people are economically marginalized?"
OOOH! "Economically marginalized?" Is that an official term or did you pull that out of your ass instead of pulling out your head first? There are legal means by which the "economically marginalized" can seek entry. It doesn't include crossing anywhere not an official port of entry.
"Are you COMPLETELY ignorant of lifespan in Mexico? In Guatemala? El Salvador? The US?"
Irrelevant.
"(fyi: In the US, life expectancy is 77+. In those nations, it's closer to 70 years old. Are you saying that you don't give a damn that they might die at a much younger age than necessary?"
I'm saying you can't draw a direct line between living in any country and the lifespan as if one's country is the sole factor determining lifespan. Nice try, though...for a liar.
"Infant mortality is 5 in 1000 in the US. In El Salvador: 13 in 1000. In Nica: 14.6 in 1000. In Mexico: 12.5 in 1000. Babies are more than twice as likely to die in these nations. In Venezuela: 25 in 1000!!"
That's funny. An abortionist pretending to care about infant mortality!
"In Venezuela, the poverty rate is 50%! In Mexico: 44%. In Guatemala: 55%! In the US? 12%. Does that not matter to you?"
It's the last category which matters most to me, and that percentage will rise with permitting theses hordes of uneducated, unskilled invaders sucking at the welfare teat.
"Are you ignorant of these conditions? IF you're ignorant, why do you cling to your ignorantly-held positions so strongly? OR, is it the case that you're ignorant of the reality that you're ignorant?) "
I'm not unaware of any of it. I'm totally perplexed why you think we're responsible for the world, when at the same time bitch about so-called "American Imperialism" and involvement in the affairs of other nations. I'm more amazed that you won't pick one of these forlorn countries and carry your sorry ass there to work toward their economic improvement. Your posturing would be so much more credible then.
"OF COURSE, people who are 3 and 4x more likely to be poor are going to try to move to a place with a lower poverty rate."
They have money to pay the cartels controlling the other side of our border. How are they eating on the long and arduous journey? Pulling bark off the trees? Sell all you have and take it to them in their country. Have all of your Jeff St co-congregants do the same.
"OF COURSE, people who are more likely to die young or whose infants are more likely to die will want to move to a place where they might simply live."
When you're there, teach them how having intercourse is why they have babies they can't afford to raise and keep healthy.
"But to hell with that, say the "pro-lifers.""
Don't pretend you care about human life, abortionist. So many of these people die on the way because assholes like you elected assholes who convinced them they should risk their lives to get here. They bring with them those who have killed many of your fellow Americans, whom you don't deserve to regard as fellow Americans because you're a piece of shit.
"And it's not enough that you spit in the face of the starving Jesus."
Don't come here and pretend you're a Christian. Don't come here and exploit and corrupt Scripture to push your marxism.
" Again, LITERALLY, these words from Jesus apply to people like you who turn away the needy."
I've turned away no one. Insisting our just laws be respected is NOT "turning away starving Jesus".
" What? Do you actually think these are wealthy, well-off people just seeking to con silly US citizens out of money for the shit and giggles of it?"
What I know is that you don't know jack shit about them but what your fantasy tells you is true. It doesn't comport with their own testimonies and actions, nor with that of those tasked with working our border. Shove your AOC theatrics. It doesn't play here in the land of honesty and truth.
"WHAT "danger" are you so pissing-in-your-pants cowardly afraid of, boy? That people might seek a better life so their babies don't die?"
I love when reprobate morons condescend. It's hilarious. The following is just the very tip of the iceberg:
https://www.fairus.org/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens
Add to that:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-05-03/u-s-deaths-due-to-fentanyl-nearly-quadrupled-in-5-years
Then there's:
https://www.newsweek.com/record-number-suspected-terrorists-crossed-us-mexico-border-opinion-1754869
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/736-known-or-suspected-terrorists-apprehended-at-us-border-in-fiscal-2023/ar-AA1iHibd
The above are just that were caught.
Other scumbags:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics
Many of the victims of these assholes are illegal aliens themselves who aren't keen on exposing themselves to government/law enforcement authorities by reporting crimes against them by their own.
This is the reality, girl.
"Why does people seeking to escape danger and poverty make you such a pissant coward and Christ-hater?"
Again the condescension from the fake Christian posturing. This is the guy who saved a comment of mine in case we meet and I slap the shit out of him. Yet I'm the "pissant" coward. That's hilarious!
You have no freaking idea how many of the 8-10 million who have illegally invaded our country are escaping danger and poverty.
"Instead of worship the bible book, why don't you read it and understand it and repent?"
More comedy! And from a guy who mocks Scripture routinely after pretending he "seriously and prayerfully" studied it. Amazing hubris from an atheist.
Don't quote from the Scripture for which you have no reverence or respect, baby-killer.
February 19, 2024 at 9:06 PM
"Bullshit stupidity. Good GOD, you have drunk the golden piss kool-aid of trump, your godling pervert."
No. I'm one who has viewed scores of videos showing hordes of invaders, none of whom looks to have missed a meal, none of whom appears to be wearing rags. And I love it when a worshiper of sexual perversion dares to call Trump a pervert. What abject and reprobate hypocrisy! Incredible!
"It's well-documented that people coming here are in dire straits."
Really? Let's see this "documentation". Wanting more than they have isn't "needy". What's more, you can't determine who is and who isn't actually needy. You just assume they all are because they all say what they're told to say in order to have the best chance of gaining entry.
"It's well-documented the circumstances they're escaping."
The best you'll be able to present is tales of woe, in the same way we're supposed to take the word of particular black people you cite or particular homosexuals you cite or particular gender-benders you cite. That's not "documentation". That's people selling the gullible.
" GOOD GOD, you've bought into some evil lies and are willing to perpetrate them."
I love it when an inveterate liar suggests I'm pushing lies.
" Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that the majority (like, even 50%) of Latin Americans crossing the border are WELL-OFF? Or even middle class?"
I'm stating the fact that the majority of invaders you pretend are sorrowful angels don't have a legitimate cause to invade and thus no legitimate expectation they should be allowed to remain.
"You can't POSSIBLY be that stupid or ignorant."
I'm neither. That would be you.
"Jesus Christ have mercy on your pathetically sad and graceless soul."
That's funny...you pretending to be a Christian...pretending Christ would hear you prayers after so many years crapping on His Will.
"Look at the data about immigrants. They're living WELL below our poverty rate. Half of them have less than a high school degree."
Yeah, that's a sad story. Who the fuck are you to demand that the rest of us take care of them?
"Do you think that they were well-off and happy in their home countries and CHOSE to come here to live in poverty and uneducated?"
Well, they're doing it, aren't they? But not at YOUR expense.
By the way...they're NOT "immigrants". They're invaders. Immigrants come through the front door and follow our immigration policies.
"Stop reading right wing lies and start reading Jesus, Mary, John, James, Paul and the Prophets."
I don't read right wing lies. I'm too busy reading yours. And I read Jesus, Mary, John, James, Paul and the Prophets. None of them support your position of allowing law breaking, just as they don't support your position on baby killing and sexual perversion of the LGBTQ+++ crowd.
"Lift yourself out of your own cowardice and ignorance. You can be a better man. Save yourself."
More condescension from the reprobate. I'm not cowardly. That would be you as evidenced by your fascistic blog rules. I'm not ignorant, and you do much to help prove that to be true. There's no one who couldn't be a better man, but not as many who pretend they're better while telling God what is and isn't sinful, as you do. And I don't need to save myself. I'm already saved.
Well, dear readers. I could have saved myself a lot of time by simply stating the obvious to Dan, which is that he's a bloody moron. But it's not as much fun providing data which debunks his Scripture corrupting nonsense.
Our laws were already responsible for millions of actual, law-abiding migrants improve their lives in our once great country. There is no basis in Scripture, in international or American law or just in reason which backs up Dan's open borders, let-em-all-in-without-question insanity. Well, not quite insanity, though it would be insane for rational people to buy in to it. From his position, it's much more like a manifestation of mental retardation. One's intellectual abilities have to be on the extremely low end of the spectrum to believe a position like his is either Christian, or rational, or sustainable for our nation.
Dan, being stupid as all get out, seems to think we have a bottomless pit of money...which is typical of the modern progressive and the America-destroying politicians they elect. But it's far from true and in our current economic climate, it's suicidal.
Dan has no rational ideas for how to "reform" our immigration laws, because he doesn't have a legit argument for insisting they're in need of reform. My position is essential to American sovereignty and security: Seal the border, lock the front doors and when someone knocks to enter, we find out who they are and determine if they should be allowed in on OUR terms, not on the terms of moronic assholes like Dan and his ilk. Dan and his ilk are why our nation suffers as it is.
Art,
I always love reading your responses to the most ignorant man who comments on your posts. You nail him to the wall over and over. Thank you for exposing his fraud and un-Christian scripture-twisting.
I don't have time to waste responding to his lying B.S. which is why I ban him--and why others ban him.
Thanks, Glenn. I rather enjoy doing it, though it isn't much of a challenge to do so. The real challenge is in taking more time to present my rebuttals in an even more irrefutable manner. On this topic, there is so much more which can be presented, but it hangs on Dan's fictions about the reality of the current invasion debacle. You'll note it's not enough that our laws already provide for and demonstrate welcome for refugees and actual, legitimate immigrants. That's not enough for Dan who does so little to generate the funding (that is, his own personal wealth) to provide for the many invaders he portrays as hapless victims of "oppression" of whatever kind he thinks he can legitimately refer to as such. He's basically saying that whatever our just laws describe as necessary elements for determine actual refugee or asylum status must be broadened beyond any rational definition to "whoever wants in gets in".
As is so often the case on any number of other subjects and issues, Dan refuses to be specific about what he would prefer with regards actual legislation of immigration laws and protocols. It's like the "paying one's fair share" argument without stating what exactly one's "fair share" actually is. Typical Dan ambiguity.
From a comment at Craig's blog (the date and time at the bottom):
Dan said,
"The poor and marginalized have always been abused and molested and taken advantage of and their very nature as a poor and marginalized person makes them unable to prove their abuses and oppressions and thus, the oppression goes on."
I responded with facts from an "expert" on the issue:
"“It’s not that conditions have changed much in these countries, but that they figured out that asylum was a way to get in the door. Clearly, the lenient policies that enable people to get into the United States just by claiming a fear of return – the ‘credible fear’ standard – is attracting more and more people every year,” said immigration policy expert Jessica M. Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies.
“They know they can make this claim and will be allowed in with no consequences, and can disappear into the larger illegal population, and may or may not show up for their immigration proceedings,” she added.
She and others believe the standard for claiming asylum is poor, especially when put up against the statistic that just 3-5 percent of the claims are officially granted at hearings.
In 2016, for example, over 10,000 claims were made from Honduran immigrants. Just 670 were approved. Over 17,000 El Salvadoran claims were sought and 753 were granted. And over 11,000 came from Guatemalans and under 700 were granted, according to the statistics.
“Something is wrong if we are approving 80 percent of the new arrivals for entry under the current ‘credible fear’ standard, but so few of them actually are approved. That suggests that the credible fear standard is way too low and out of sync with the legal standards for asylum itself,” said Vaughan.
Officials note that claims can be handled other ways before going to court. For those who cross the border illegally then make an asylum claim, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency explains the process this way: “The immigration judge then decides whether the individual is eligible for asylum. If found eligible, the immigration judge will order asylum to be granted. If found ineligible for asylum, the immigration judge will determine whether the individual is eligible for any other forms of relief from removal. If found ineligible for other forms of relief, the immigration judge will order the individual to be removed from the United States. The immigration judge’s decision can be appealed by either party.”
Most of the surge came under former President Obama and it overwhelmed immigration courts. The open door under Obama may have encouraged the increase, said Vaughan.
“It was utterly dysfunctional, as if by design. It would be one thing if we had such an orderly process and such respect for the law that people came in, made their claims, were adjudicated promptly, and went right home if denied -- then we wouldn’t have to detain people. But the reality is that many do not even file a formal application after we let them in on ‘credible fear’ and if they do, they often don’t show up for their hearing, and if they do and they are denied, they hide instead of show up for removal. This is a farce that clogs up the asylum system and denies swift protection to the deserving applicants and their families,” she said.
So rather than pretend anyone is showing disregard for legitimate suffering, the reality is that aliens are playing the system. More rigid vetting is required, not a loosening of the process. Those truly in need are those who are suffering and at the hands of the Dan Trabues of the country who think they're helping by demanding that which will be, and has been, a burden to others.
January 5, 2020 at 1:37 AM
Yes, Marshal, you DID cite an "expert..." well, not an expert so much as an actual person connected with...
"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an
American anti-immigration think tank.
It favors far lower immigration numbers and
produces analyses to further those views.
The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and
eugenicist and
white nationalist John Tanton
in 1985 as a spin-off of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
It is
one of a number of anti-immigration organizations
founded by Tanton,
along with FAIR and NumbersUSA...
Reports published by CIS have been
disputed by scholars on immigration,
fact-checkers and news outlets, and [actual] immigration-research organizations"
From the Wiki page about them. So, yes, you DO have people committed to opposition to immigrants who spring from white nationalists and eugenicists circles... but actual experts and scholars and unbiased reporting discredit your racist group.
Again, get out of your racist/extremist silos and listen to actual experts and news groups. Your self-"education" is bent and broken.
But those YOU regard as "experts" are activists in the other direction, and more often than not, anti-American leftists.
More importantly, you reject her testimony based on the alleged character of the founders of her organization, as if their supposed evil character traits have been proven by objective observers, and not a leftist hate group like Dan's beloved SPLC, from whom Wiki clearly is getting the bulk of its information on these fine immigration groups.
What else does Wiki have to say? Well, on the subject of Graham, it lists his history from which no honest person can infer any evil whatsover:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_L._Graham
But that doesn't matter to Dan, who hasn't taken any time to verify the claims of the Wike post which he cites simply because it's easier than actually addressing the claims made by immigration policy expert Jessica M. Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies. No. Dan can't be bothered to engage in honest study of any issue, comment or claim. He simply finds the first thing he believes will convince those as stupid and immoral as he is that his position is sound and mine is not.
And what of John Tanton? Clearly, this is another place where pretending the SPLC is a reliable and unbiased source of truth helps out hateful non-Christians like Dan who care little for what's best for his fellow countrymen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton
But others do not share the hate for this guy and seek to give a more honest, objective representation of the man:
https://www.northernexpress.com/news/feature/a-tale-of-two-legacies/
Then of course there's John Tanton himself (now deceased) whose description of the criticisms he's endured by leftist liars is astounding given much of what he says and has been said about him suggest he's somewhat of a leftist himself...though I think he had a more rational position on environmental than what passes of "intelligent" leftist positions on "climate change" and other frauds of the modern progressive frauds who promote them.
https://www.johntanton.org/answering_my_critics/puppeteer.html
Tanton's position was more focused on mass immigration of the legal variety than simply on illegal alien invasions we're seeing today. He was addressing the question of how many is too many and the effects too many would have on our nation and its culture. My final link to his response to criticisms clarifies what liars like Dan sought to project upon him simply for taking a different position on the issue. His position is not without evidence backed grounding. Dan's is.
Also easily understood from Tanton's response is the Dan-ish demonizing of a person based on the seeming support of those whose support was never sought. Dan does/did this with Trump, supposing that because his positions on the issues of the day allegedly attracted racists or white nationalists, then by golly Trump meant to appeal to such lowlifes. Tanton explains how much of a one-way street this tactic is and how, as is common with Dan, his attackers (such as the SPLC) are never held to the same standard.
And of course, there's nothing racist about Tanton that I can see. But again, the modern progressive regards all who question the amount of inward migration to be racist simply because those seeking entry are mostly not white guys. It's absurd and a cheap lie easily told by cheap liars like Dan and his ilk.
If this 90+% number is accurate, then why have so few of those people chosen NOT to apply for refugee status the correct and legal way?
Even IF all of Dan's bullshit is 100% True, none of it obligates the US to blindly accept these people with zero vetting, zero screening, nothing.
The left has argued fervently that if banning guns saves even one life, then it is worth trampling on the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens to do so. So, let's apply that same logic to this issue. If stopping people from illegally entering the US saves just one life of one US citizen, then it's worth stopping.
I love it when Dan and his ilk apply the Matt 25 parable in such out of context ways, while pretending that the whole "outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth" part is magically not to be taken literally while the rest is. It's simply a performative, works righteousness, attempt to impose their hunches on a biblical parable and to make it the policy of the secular US government. The problem is that they want to go so far beyond the Matt 25 requirements, by allowing them to vote as non citizens, and to deprive US citizens of the benefits that these illegal immigrants get.
Interesting, Dan unabashedly supports the legacy and work of one person who actually put the mechanism for eugenics in place, because he agrees with the results of her work. But objects to an organization that has some association with someone who also supported eugenics. Because anyone who doesn't agree with Dan's open the borders and let everyone is is evil.
Craig,
"If this 90+% number is accurate, then why have so few of those people chosen NOT to apply for refugee status the correct and legal way?"
Because they'd have to wait in line and be more obliged to convince officials of their story. But as Jessica M. Vaughan said, "They know they can make this claim and will be allowed in with no consequences, and can disappear into the larger illegal population, and may or may not show up for their immigration proceedings."
"I love it when Dan and his ilk apply the Matt 25 parable in such out of context ways..."
So do I. He's like a real-life Dana Carvey Church Lady trying to scold and shame those of us with a far better handle on the situation than he has. He's basically saying he's concerned about migrants more than our laws which have increased the number of legals over the decades substantially. Again, like with taxing the rich, he has no limits he'd place on us with regard to how many we should allow in, as if it won't have negative consequences regardless of how many actually are. Yet we see the consequences constantly, from murders and rapes, to drug deals and the deaths from that, to invaders being allowed to vote in American elections, to kids, our own homeless, our veterans and aged being displaced to house invaders, to all the trash left behind on our public lands and private properties...including bodies, to massive expenditures in food, medical and education...the list of negatives is long and not balanced by anything near an equal degree of positives. We're just supposed to suck it up and pretend they're all worthy of our largess and resources.
But of course, Dan doesn't care about his own countrymen. He's concerned with posturing. And he's more than willing to exploit and corrupt Scripture to do it.
"Interesting, Dan unabashedly supports the legacy and work of one person who actually put the mechanism for eugenics in place, because he agrees with the results of her work. But objects to an organization that has some association with someone who also supported eugenics."
The worst part is that Dan never actually looked at Tanton to truly understand what he was all about. What's suggested is eugenics in his case is not what most people think of when hearing the word. It's simply population control in a manner of not having too many kids and not allowing too many foreigners into the country beyond any rational capacity of our resources to provide for it all. Now, I'm not one who believe the world is overcrowded. The world can easily sustain probably three times what we now have if leftism can be prevented from thriving. But in the case of our country now, more so than when Tanton was doing his thing, we're being overwhelmed with leeches more than producers...and that's accounting for the fact that most of the leeches don't intend to be leeches. But if they've nothing to offer, they're taking instead of providing.
As always, none of these rational and intelligent and fact-based objections has anything do with any disregard for the truly needy and oppressed. We're just not buying into the lie that all who are swarming our borders are either.
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