tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post6301456217547977698..comments2024-03-28T02:33:58.130-05:00Comments on Marshal Art's: Requiem for the Word "Racism"?Marshal Arthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comBlogger145125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-59761033245558784112009-02-25T22:36:00.000-06:002009-02-25T22:36:00.000-06:00OK.OK.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-79450613093609814572009-02-25T22:11:00.000-06:002009-02-25T22:11:00.000-06:00ER,I think you misunderstood my comment. I was no...ER,<BR/><BR/>I think you misunderstood my comment. I was not making assumptions as to your involvement, or lack thereof. Or even being critical. I was aware of you being a deacon (not sure what that entails in your particular tradition. In mine it's not a preaching/teaching position) I was just pointing out that there are places to serve in the church world where you could use the abilities you list in teaching or even preaching positions. So it would seem that at least some of your objections could be overcome.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-33199180733835491802009-02-25T12:59:00.000-06:002009-02-25T12:59:00.000-06:00MA said: "Levitical laws regarding sexuality. You ...MA said: "Levitical laws regarding sexuality. You don't seem to put much importance in them, yet, Christ was clear in His regard for Scripture, which, as we both know, meant OT."<BR/><BR/>You are correct, Sir. I do not. I am not a Jew and I am not living in tribal Israel in antiquity. Leviticus simply does not apply to me. Or to you. Not in the way you want it to. That's not to say I "reject" it -- but I do reject its supposed relevance.<BR/><BR/>On the salvation thing, I'n out of time to deal with that at present. Google "eternal security" and see that Christianity is big enough for both ideas: that salvation can never be lost, forfeited or pissed away, and that it can. I side with the "it can't be lost" side and its verses. You are free to side with the other side and its verses. But I will always wonder: If you think you can piss away your salvation, then you're trusting in yourself, and not Christ, for your salvation. Aren't you?Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-10022293473504972582009-02-25T12:53:00.000-06:002009-02-25T12:53:00.000-06:00Craig, I ot behind on the comments.Re, "There are ...Craig, I ot behind on the comments.<BR/><BR/>Re, "There are a number of church staff positions which would allow you the opportunity to communicate without going to seminary."<BR/><BR/>Um, I'm on my church's communications committee and, as much as it horrifies our blog host here, I'm a new deacon. So, please remember -- and this should go for all of us -- we don't know what we don't know about one another.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-6636490280889210202009-02-25T08:16:00.000-06:002009-02-25T08:16:00.000-06:00Feodor,Hash doesn't spend as much time being an as...Feodor,<BR/><BR/>Hash doesn't spend as much time being an ass as you do. Other debate opponents haven't either. From the first comment of yours I've ever seen you've gone out of your way to present yourself as one of superior knowledge and intelligence, with a writing style often over the top cryptic after which you condescend when your meaning isn't then divined by anyone who reads it. And now, poor baby, you're feeling put upon. Boo-hoo. <BR/><BR/>No one cares who anyone is who engages in a respectful and dignified manner, and there was respect and dignity enough before you arrived. For all your "smarts" you fail to divine the true tone of participants, when they're being playful or playfully snarky, when those who've been engaged for a while might get intense, yet still retain that respect and dignity for each other. Most of those who have left still hold welcome here despite past conflicts. You've yet to earn that and seem not to care.<BR/><BR/>You make charges that attack the knowledge of your betters, and those include most everyone else who visits, as if your wealth of study has bequeathed any real knowledge or common sense. I don't need a single semester of study to know crap when I see it in print, such as your lame defense for the lame theology of Black Liberation. You dare make accusations of shallowness, yet your name dropping and book references have not provided you with any real depth of either understanding or character.<BR/><BR/>Racism a hot button? You're stoking that fire yourself, pal, as does Cone, Eric Holder and Al Sharpton by seeing people in terms of color, by judging anything as a manifestation or proof of racism.<BR/><BR/>Like too many others, you make accusations of "cold-hearted Christian judgementalism". Another sorry whine when faced with the realities of Scriptural teaching. Homophobia? A common sob when faced with the truth of its sinfulness. Anti-intellectualism? Typical of those for whom their attempt to make complex the simple fails to impress or sway. Lazy thought? A defensive insult from those with lazy character.<BR/><BR/>And then there's apathy. Where in the world do you come up with apathy? Apathy does not describe one who blogs about what he believes and continues to do so in the face of lame counter arguments and weak accusations like yours. This blog would not exist if I was truly apathetic.<BR/><BR/>You end with more cryptic drivel. I hope your 40 days includes some real Biblical study so you'll see where my position really begins and ends.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-56662558305070705752009-02-25T07:46:00.000-06:002009-02-25T07:46:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-88593607674367847652009-02-25T01:51:00.000-06:002009-02-25T01:51:00.000-06:00"Don't waste yourself..."no problem, marshallmy gu..."Don't waste yourself..."<BR/><BR/>no problem, marshall<BR/><BR/>my guess is, race is feodor's hot button issue...thing is, it's not going away any time soon, despite the prayers of many, that it will<BR/><BR/>it continues to inspire the deepest emotions, that's just the way the world is right now<BR/><BR/>my thing is, why waste a comment, when you could tell a personal story, or even throw a different idea out there?<BR/><BR/>sooner or later, you have to hope, you'll get it rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-48948601774105722052009-02-25T01:42:00.000-06:002009-02-25T01:42:00.000-06:00"I don't have to respect intransigent refusal to p..."I don't have to respect intransigent refusal to pay attention to issues and experiences larger than the isolated, individualistic, protestantized heart, either..."<BR/><BR/>well, yeah, feodor, you do<BR/><BR/>you DO have to respect standards of basic, common decency, in the way you behave toward others...these blogs take the policy that they'll shitcan excessively abusive comments, as they materialize<BR/><BR/>you and i both know, that's a hell of a lot more lax, then the treatment these characters would get on virtually ANY, so-called "progressive" blog or message board<BR/><BR/>now, you're posting, literally DOZENS of comments you KNOW will have to be individually scrubbed, just to annoy, and with no real point to make...is that proper behavior on your part?<BR/><BR/>i frequently disagree with marshall, and others here, sometimes heatedly, sometimes even to the point of belligerence, LOL!<BR/><BR/>and, that happens, when those not of like mind, make that choice to at least TRY to engage, and make some sense of it all, rather than live in one's own echo chamber<BR/><BR/>but, feodor, what you are doing has got to STOP...you have to be able to recognize when you've gone past boiling point, and nothing you do, or provoke, is going to make a whit of difference...it also becomes unhealthy, and a terrible time-waster<BR/><BR/>so, take some time, think about it, no one is demanding apologies, just take a few days off, regroup, and rejoin some other discussion topic, where your perspective WILL foster thought...<BR/><BR/>think about it! i have no agenda here...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-86925149874028486962009-02-24T22:50:00.000-06:002009-02-24T22:50:00.000-06:00Craig brings up a good point. Feodor has no blog,...Craig brings up a good point. Feodor has no blog, no profile. He is a troll. He proves himself no better.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-46326005700019405192009-02-24T22:48:00.000-06:002009-02-24T22:48:00.000-06:00Hash,Don't waste yourself. You and I often clash,...Hash,<BR/><BR/>Don't waste yourself. You and I often clash, but you show some level of class for stepping in, even if you aren't doing it for my sake. I'm not the least bit shaken by Feodor's incomprehensible drooling. He exposes himself as does everyone who posts here, including myself. And now he exposes himself by making cracks about my mother. Such low class people have no power. When they're allowed to vomit their nonsense, it saves the rest of us from pointing them out.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-55876989730797847902009-02-24T22:35:00.000-06:002009-02-24T22:35:00.000-06:00Feo,I'm not sure what you think you have proven he...Feo,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you think you have proven here, but I'm done. Nowhere in this thread have I have demonstrated superiority, nor dismissed discussion. Maybe you define discussion differently than I, but what you have engaged in is not discussion in any form I have ever seen. The fact that you continue to demonstrate that you would much rather engage with a caricature of me based on your preconceptions of who you assume me to be, would seem to forestall any actual discussion. What you seem to want is an opportunity to spout your "erudition" and mischaracterizations. Had you demonstrated one tiny indication that you have any desire or ability to engage on any sort of footing beyond demonstrating your superiority things might have gone differently. So, while I am sure you will continue for a while to take shots, I'm done. I've got better things to do than this. So hide behind your pseudonym and blank profile and keep spouting. <BR/><BR/>If as you say I've been b-slapped then you're obviously the b. <BR/><BR/>Seriously, I'm glad that you have managed to single-handedly eradicate all manner of social ills, you are very proud of yourself. Keep it up, soon you'll finish New Jersey as well. I'll be content to keep doing what I love, with people I enjoy. Continuing this "conversation" is not high on the list.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-12281050037570216542009-02-24T20:57:00.000-06:002009-02-24T20:57:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-23127887825786768322009-02-24T20:28:00.000-06:002009-02-24T20:28:00.000-06:00fepdor, stop ityou can't just ram your thinking do...fepdor, stop it<BR/><BR/>you can't just ram your thinking down the thoughts of other people, this isn't union squareAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-82281525977858145592009-02-24T19:27:00.000-06:002009-02-24T19:27:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-91778362905987603462009-02-24T19:12:00.000-06:002009-02-24T19:12:00.000-06:00Feodor,You make it so easy...First comment respons...Feodor,<BR/><BR/>You make it so easy...<BR/><BR/>First comment response:<BR/><BR/><I>"Among other things, this means that the wall of hostility is broken down between blacks and whites, making color irrelevant to man's essential nature.""</I><BR/><BR/>What came before this conflicts with the underlying message of BLT. But this quote is not what reconciliation with God means. That would be that each of us has repented and turned to Him exclusively for our salvation. If any wall of hostility between any two groups breaks down, that's fine, but it is not a reference to race relations.<BR/><BR/>--------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Cone's quote does not respond to my question in the least. It is a point unrelated entirely. Mine was simply to ask how far one must go to prove he is not racist. The Cone quote has to do with his nutty ideas about God siding with blacks or whatever goofy shit he's talking about. "How can I, a white man, become black?" Isn't the same question at all.<BR/><BR/>--------------------------------<BR/><BR/><I>"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."</I><BR/><BR/>What does this have to do with the concept of "cherishing one's whiteness"? My comment refers to God not lowering Himself to such a pathetically human level as concern over skin color. <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------<BR/><BR/><I>"So, if the Bible doesn't say four hundred years of slavery happened, then slavery didn't happen. If the Bible doesn't say Jim Crown happened, it didn't happen.<BR/><BR/>Nice logic."</I><BR/><BR/>Worse than above, this quote has absolutely no relation or relevance to the statement for which it is supposedly an answer. And you dare to speak of logic! By the way, who's Jim Crown?<BR/><BR/>-------------------------------<BR/><BR/><I>"Even novocaine cant' blurr MAs stupidity. It's as sharp as ever.<BR/><BR/>It's follow Christ into the ghetto, stupid, not follow Christ because he's a ghetto. Unbelievable."</I><BR/><BR/>It didn't say that, Einstein. It compared Christ TO the ghetto. Don't pretend I'm stupid because I don't properly interpret stupidity. Don't forget, the whole quote in question was incredibly stupid altogether and a poor interpretation of Scripture.<BR/><BR/>-------------------------------<BR/><BR/>And then the kicker,<BR/><BR/>Feodor compares apples to oranges. Christ was only speaking of a sinner and his sins. He wasn't comparing one group to another. Try to actually find a real Christian teacher. Then you won't have your mushy brain filled with such crap.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-35901175432564402042009-02-24T18:52:00.000-06:002009-02-24T18:52:00.000-06:00ER,"You'll have to name one or two, because I don'...ER,<BR/><BR/><I>"You'll have to name one or two, because I don't recall rejecting anything the Bible says that Jesus said."</I><BR/><BR/>Levitical laws regarding sexuality. You don't seem to put much importance in them, yet, Christ was clear in His regard for Scripture, which, as we both know, meant OT.<BR/><BR/>As for saved and then unsaved, my question would be along the lines of, are you saying that once someone is saved, they no longer have the free will to reject and rebel or are they somehow unable to resist being saved? Can one who is saved, be tempted away and never return in time to prevent judgment? If one says he is saved, and he means it, but then sometime later decides to steal rather than work for his living, is he truly saved, was he ever truly saved, or has he given up his salvation?Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-60912526451197212042009-02-24T17:18:00.000-06:002009-02-24T17:18:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-10556079758303075082009-02-24T17:13:00.000-06:002009-02-24T17:13:00.000-06:00Craig:Take heart, my friend! When I read Feodor's...Craig:<BR/><BR/>Take heart, my friend! When I read Feodor's offerings, I can't help but recall the slogan of the United Negro College Fund: "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." <BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>JosephAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-55521211919451162472009-02-24T17:07:00.000-06:002009-02-24T17:07:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-53370837932990971772009-02-24T16:31:00.000-06:002009-02-24T16:31:00.000-06:00Feodor,First thank you so much for your gracious d...Feodor,<BR/><BR/>First thank you so much for your gracious demonstration of humility and desire for honest conversation, I am shamed that I am unable to measure up. <BR/><BR/>Your pride is showing, not to mention you're east coast superiority. I've spent the last 10 years of so employing the homeless, getting to know them and being a part of their lives. I've spent the last 2 1/2 years building low income housing in both urban and suburban areas of the twin cities. Most of my recent dealings have been with families in our local Somali/Ethiopian/Eritrean communities. As well as spending some time in rural Haiti (where 100% of the population wishes they could glimpse the US poverty line, and they are 100% black, being historically and currently oppressed by black leaders). So what's next you want to measure something else. <BR/><BR/>Just so you'll shut up about it I got the Cone quotes from a book called African American Religious Thought edited by Cornel West and Eddie S. Gluade Jr. Which actually is in my grasp so to speak. I predict that your next move will be to suggest that I am lying about the source of the quotes. Deal with it.<BR/><BR/>If you were interested in doing something beyond demonstrating your superiority I might be interested in playing along But alas notCraighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-88949154213189603392009-02-24T16:01:00.000-06:002009-02-24T16:01:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-27286146598928151052009-02-24T15:57:00.000-06:002009-02-24T15:57:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-56968142753701282312009-02-24T15:48:00.000-06:002009-02-24T15:48:00.000-06:00MA, as I said, I don't think it matters that much....MA, as I said, I don't think it matters that much. I can't be any clearer. But, I simply don't believe that one can be saved and then not be saved. I'm very traditionally Baptist when it comes to that. It could be that the notion is so ingrained in my thinking that I find it difficult to explain.<BR/><BR/>As to this: "You've rejected some of those commands that help us to understand what it means to do good."<BR/><BR/>You'll have to name one or two, because I don't recall rejecting anything the Bible says that Jesus said.Erudite Redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04830721195868387265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-4929829596378421472009-02-24T15:46:00.000-06:002009-02-24T15:46:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Feodorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216659885831979653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-42066011509941637532009-02-24T15:40:00.000-06:002009-02-24T15:40:00.000-06:00Feodor,This may shock you, but your last comment m...Feodor,<BR/><BR/>This may shock you, but your last comment makes no sense. Let me respond by thanking you again for restating and agreeing with my main premise from the get go. "making color irrelevant to man's essential nature." <BR/><BR/>One questions comes to mind, how does BLT deal with a society where blacks need to be liberated from other blacks?<BR/><BR/>The remainder of your rant was just more of your convoluted pretentious crap. You decry my "rules" when I established no rules. You allow your prejudices to determine your response, while trying to accuse me of the same thing. What you consider "honest conversation" is foreign to what most people would think of when they hear that phrase. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the only circumstances under which you will engage in any sort of "conversation" is if you are allowed to set the parameters, the allowable sources, and to mischaracterize at will whatever anyone says. The sad thing is that you really believe this, and believe that you are providing some sort of education. <BR/><BR/>I'll close with this, you sit in your theoretical word, and spout education. I'll spend my time in the communities dealing with real people of color, and problems that exist now. <BR/><BR/>MA, I'm glad you chose to deal with the rant, thanks. <BR/><BR/><BR/>ER, thanks, I know it's easy to get carried away. I've done it, so again, my apologies.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.com