tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post5234414660660185018..comments2024-03-28T19:11:42.225-05:00Comments on Marshal Art's: Blogroll UpdateMarshal Arthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comBlogger150125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-67075856991063618802010-11-24T14:49:13.265-06:002010-11-24T14:49:13.265-06:00"Be it known..."
What are you… The town..."Be it known..."<br /><br />What are you… The town crier?<br /><br />"I would just prefer something other than your usual substance, free snark."<br /><br />Free snark for everyone!<br /><br />"I'm sincerely curious to see what a real opinion.."<br /><br />Derek Jeter wasn't even in the top five, defensively, at his position this year and he won a gold glove. <br /><br />Want to pick another topic?Parklifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-32401168704012331492010-11-24T13:49:39.264-06:002010-11-24T13:49:39.264-06:00Parkie,
Be it known that I will entertain no furt...Parkie,<br /><br />Be it known that I will entertain no further comments from you on this non-subject tit-for-tat. As always, you are welcome to comment on any future topic. I would just prefer something other than your usual substance free snark. You're not good at snark. I'm sincerely curious to see what a real opinion from you might look like regardless of how much of a pipe dream that desire may be.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-30302558037277036382010-11-23T12:17:26.564-06:002010-11-23T12:17:26.564-06:00"Not to judge or anything."
This indica...<i>"Not to judge or anything."</i><br /><br />This indicates no understanding of Scripture's position on judging. Actually, we are indeed to judge between disparate concepts, such as right and wrong behaviors. In this case, I was not judging YOU to be stupid necessarily, but your position on eternity. I will admit it does lend to the arguments against you personally.<br /><br /><i>"That’s an interesting idea, compare scripture to advertising. I just won again."</i><br /><br />Look here. Two stupid comments back to back, with the second being a two-fer. I did not compare scripture to advertising. Re-read my original comment again but more slowly with someone helping you to sound out the words. I spoke of how goofy people react to ads. How is that an example of me comparing ads to Scripture exactly? <br /><br />The second comment is a double for the fact that as I did not compare ads to Scripture, you won nothing. Then to say that you won again would suggest you've won at some point in the past. Perhaps that's true in your fevered imaginings, but not in reality.<br /><br /><i>""The party struggling with ego is without a doubt YOU..."<br /><br />Yes. That is what I wrote before. Jesshh... I have trouble with your ego. It gets in the way of me taking you seriously. Its amazing that sometimes we are on the exact same page."</i><br /><br />This must be another attempt at cleverness. What determination! Admirable. What futility! Sad. "I just won again." No. No trouble there.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-54442993794617426392010-11-23T12:04:16.127-06:002010-11-23T12:04:16.127-06:00"Oh.. ma.. if only that were true. It’s the t...<i>"Oh.. ma.. if only that were true. It’s the tone you judged me to have from "the first".</i><br /><br />Perhaps you should have given a better tone? Hmmm. Just a thought. Now truly, if I had misjudged your original tone, I would expect to have seen some change in that tone from then until now. Hasn't happened. It's all true, sparkie.<br /><br /><i>"And, is that a little bit of sniveling I detect?"</i><br /><br />No. I don't snivel. And you're not much of a detective.<br /><br /><i>""I gave a detailed answer and you crapped on it as if it had no substance."<br /><br />Perhaps you should have given a better answer?"</i><br /><br />As if you'd know the difference, and as if it would make any. And even if my answer fell short of the best, it was far more substantive than any comment you've ever made here and your crapping on it, though typical, does not hide the fact that you're incapable of a substantive response. Even bad, poor or substandard comments and responses can receive a substantive retort, as your bad/poor/substandard comment/response is getting right now.<br /><br /><i>"We are peas in a pod."</i><br /><br />Not even barely.<br /><br /><i>"Really? Are you sure about that? Because I think you have something on your chin."</i><br /><br />Is this what passes for cleverness in your institution? It's not even original.<br /><br /><i>"We’ve been through this a thousand times. The bible says its okay to treat people like dirt."</i><br /><br />I'm pleased to say you haven't visited one thousand times. And I don't know which Bible you read (as if you've actually read any translation ever), but mine doesn't say that, so I don't do that. If you want false piety, talk to Dan Trabue. He'll pretend to treat you in a gracious manner as long as things proceed in a manner to his liking. But here, if you act like an ass, I'll tell you you're an ass and then explain why so that you might adjust that crappy tone of which we've just spoken. You really wanna keep playing this game? You can't possibly win.<br /><br /><i>"<br />"I'm not impressed."<br /><br />?!?!?WHAT?!?!?!"</i><br /><br />Sorry. My bad. Knowing as I do your sad inability to detect points and substance in a comment, I need to be very clear. It should have read: <br /><br /><i>"Cut the crap and actually risk your opinion and stop acting like an idiot trying to <b>be</b> clever and acting as if you know something. I'm not impressed."</i> <br /><br />To clarify even further, I'm not impressed with your sad attempts at cleverness, nor your posturing as if you possess insight and knowledge without saying anything that would demonstrate it.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-39540785937807671952010-11-23T11:02:37.601-06:002010-11-23T11:02:37.601-06:00"It's the tone you yourself had set from ..."It's the tone you yourself had set from the first."<br /><br />Oh.. ma.. if only that were true. It’s the tone you judged me to have from "the first". And, is that a little bit of sniveling I detect? This is not a good way to start a post.<br /><br />"I gave a detailed answer and you crapped on it as if it had no substance."<br /><br />Perhaps you should have given a better answer? Hmm.. Just an idea.<br /><br />"I guess I should have realized that substance is not your forte."<br /><br />We are peas in a pod.<br /><br />"I am always in control and do not vomit."<br /><br />Really? Are you sure about that? Because I think you have something on your chin.<br /><br />"And I don't need to judge since folks convict themselves by their actions."<br /><br />LOL.. ma.. You really are the best.<br /><br />"Incessant name calling only follows incessant boorishness on your part."<br /><br />Yes. We’ve been through this a thousand times. The bible says its okay to treat people like dirt. <br /><br />"I'm not impressed."<br /><br />?!?!?WHAT?!?!?!<br /><br />"Even if you actually have no life after death of any kind, to have no care as to whether that is true or not is really pretty stupid."<br /><br />Not to judge or anything. <br /><br />"YOU'RE talking about goofy people that hear them and react as if it is Scripture."<br /><br />That’s an interesting idea, compare scripture to advertising. I just won again. But, I’ll give you credit for the own goal. Thanks MA :)<br /><br />"The party struggling with ego is without a doubt YOU..."<br /><br />Yes. That is what I wrote before. Jesshh... I have trouble with your ego. It gets in the way of me taking you seriously. Its amazing that sometimes we are on the exact same page.Parklifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-57508365251040218102010-11-20T00:37:32.440-06:002010-11-20T00:37:32.440-06:00"I’m not sure I would call them my own tactic...<i>"I’m not sure I would call them my own tactics."</i><br /><br />It's the tone you yourself had set from the first.<br /><br /><i>"You are far from innocent. In fact, when I have started to “engage”, you feel the need to vomit uncontrollably."</i><br /><br />Come, come, little Parkie. You <i>never</i> engage. <br /><br />The closest I can recall when you've seemed to is a question you asked in a recent post. I gave a detailed answer and you crapped on it as if it had no substance. I guess I should have realized that substance is not your forte. You don't provide any, so why should I have thought that you'd recognize it when it sits there before you? And BTW, I am always in control and do not vomit.<br /><br /><i>" As judge and jury, I’m sure you have never convicted yourself of wrongdoing."</i><br /><br />Actually, I'm more than aware of my shortcomings. I don't pretend they don't exist. And I don't need to judge since folks convict themselves by their actions.<br /><br /><i>"Why would the incessant name calling ever be considered inappropriate?"</i><br /><br />Incessant name calling only follows incessant boorishness on your part. I believe I've explained that with darn near every incident of name calling. It's fairly cut and dried, just as I so often tell you. Cut the crap and actually risk your opinion and stop acting like an idiot trying to clever and acting as if you know something. I'm not impressed.<br /><br /><i>"Why waste my time on eternity?"</i><br /><br />Because it matters. Even if you actually have no life after death of any kind, to have no care as to whether that is true or not is really pretty stupid.<br /><br /><i>"Honestly, the more we discuss it, the more I think you don’t understand how powerful adverting can be."</i><br /><br />First of all, I don't know that we've been discussing much of anything beyond your consistent bad attitude. Your comments about advertising don't really rise to the level of "discussion". Secondly, I'm well aware that some people can be swayed by ads as if they are receiving something more than a pitch to try a product. But to suggest that the power is anything more than persuading the consumer to try a given product and not a competitor's is stretching things. I'm talking about the ads themselves. YOU'RE talking about goofy people that hear them and react as if it is Scripture.<br /><br /><i>"However, it is difficult to tease out your ego and actually have an adult conversation."</i><br /><br />When you feel like having an adult conversation, let me know. You can do that by actually engaging without the snarky crap for the foreseeable future. The party struggling with ego is without a doubt YOU as it has thus far prevented you from risking yourself to scrutiny.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-27034541621235934722010-11-19T15:56:28.194-06:002010-11-19T15:56:28.194-06:00"Aww. Isn't that just so sad. Little snar..."Aww. Isn't that just so sad. Little snarky Parkie is such a sensitive boy. He finds his own tactics so very mean."<br /><br />Hmm.. I’m pretty sure I can handle it. And, I’m not sure I would call them my own tactics. You are far from innocent. In fact, when I have started to “engage”, you feel the need to vomit uncontrollably. So, that’s on you (literally… figuratively.. or both).<br /><br />"I use it to correct poor interpretations"<br /><br />Of course you do. As judge and jury, I’m sure you have never convicted yourself of wrongdoing. Why would the incessant name calling ever be considered inappropriate? Therefore, I too am just stating facts when I insult you. Again.. close one. <br /><br />"As to your "non-atheism", how idiotic to regard matters of eternity as merely boring or insignificant."<br /><br />Why waste my time on eternity? Talk about the most insignificant issue in life. Personally, I try to be more present. <br /><br />"I understand advertising just fine."<br /><br />Honestly, the more we discuss it, the more I think you don’t understand how powerful adverting can be. However, it is difficult to tease out your ego and actually have an adult conversation.Parklifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-57772058786935092052010-11-17T21:50:15.679-06:002010-11-17T21:50:15.679-06:00"My whole point has been my concern for peopl...<i>"My whole point has been my concern for people with serious diseases, such as Lupus or diabetes, seeing this Dr. Nemec, who has no medical background."</i><br /><br />I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the concern is justified. Most people with ailments seeking relief have gone to Nemec not as a first resort, but more of a last resort, after traditional medicine has failed to provide that relief. And then you refer to "medical background" as if that means the average doctor has more knowledge of the human body than a holistic practitioner. There are some that would suggest the opposite is true, though I believe, as I've said, that each has their place. <br /><br />But more than that, there are millions who have dealt only with the "medical background" people and have finally died of their diseases after years of suffering and therapies and drugs that did nothing. Hell, even Vinny admitted that drugs his wife was prescribed hurt her immune system. A medical background does not give one the ultimate confidence. And that's because they typically address symptoms and not causes.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-63979012260386498202010-11-17T21:29:57.569-06:002010-11-17T21:29:57.569-06:00"From start to finish Ma, youre pretty much i...<i>"From start to finish Ma, youre pretty much insulting all the time."</i><br /><br />Aww. Isn't that just so sad. Little snarky Parkie is such a sensitive boy. He finds his own tactics so very mean. Only feo has been more of an ongoing drive by snark-meister than you. If you don't like how it feels, then don't do it yourself. I've damn near begged you to back off and actually engage, but you prefer to leave little smelly piles you proudly but mistakenly regard as cleverness. <br /><br />Worse, you seek to use my faith against me, as if I've made some claim of Jesus-like abilities to put up with the likes of YOU? I don't think so, sparky. The cheap tactic is about as impotent as your cheap shots. I don't hide behind the Book. I use it to correct poor interpretations, faulty understandings and the routine false teachings of those who often visit here. I don't deny my shortcomings as a Christian at all. <br /><br />As to your "non-atheism", how idiotic to regard matters of eternity as merely boring or insignificant. What you don't realize is how insignificant it makes you to be that way. Even the arrogantly, condescendingly and stupidly atheist Chris Hitchens has "given it some thought". <br /><br />I understand advertising just fine. It exists to entice the consumer to try a product in hopes that the consumer will like it and continue to use it. You switch to the word "influence" as if that improves your point. If I have a need, and some manufacturer's ad suggests that it might address my need, is that "influence"? I don't think so, even if it has that effect on you.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-2024840587211802742010-11-17T14:03:25.521-06:002010-11-17T14:03:25.521-06:00"And I didn't get to any real insults unt..."And I didn't get to any real insults until the "writing in crayon" remark."<br /><br />From start to finish Ma, youre pretty much insulting all the time. <br /><br />"superior atheistic"<br /><br />Sorry to break the news, but Im not an atheist. Mostly I don’t care about such issues. These issues are boring and insignificant. Second, its you that claims a high ground based on religion. I may be a jerk, but Im a jerk and take responsibility for my actions. You hide behind a book. <br /><br />"Upon further review"<br /><br />I think you are confusing my hyperbole. Yes, advertising doesn’t “make” anybody do anything. There is no gun being held to a person’s head. However, advertising does exist to influence people. Drug companies spend big bucks promoting their products. It seems to be part of their business model. Being a miss-educated capitalist, you should be able to understand that.Parklifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-53201937173034716412010-11-17T11:15:04.807-06:002010-11-17T11:15:04.807-06:00"A doctor who was really concerned about a pe..."A doctor who was really concerned about a person's health would recommend supplementation regardless of the person's health situation, unless of course the person was on a host of drugs, some of which might be adversely affected by the introduction of some supplements"<br /><br />Exactly. We agree. My whole point has been my concern for people with serious diseases, such as Lupus or diabetes, seeing this Dr. Nemec, who has no medical background. <br /><br />"In Nemec's case, despite the fact that he doesn't make claims about treating particular illnesses,"<br /><br />Oh, but he does make those claims. That is my problem with him.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-29929880135518254982010-11-17T10:28:40.424-06:002010-11-17T10:28:40.424-06:00"I would think that a doctor who was really c...<i>"I would think that a doctor who was really concerned about a person's health would want to examine them and get a medical history before selling them a supplement or anything else."</i><br /><br />A doctor who was really concerned about a person's health would recommend supplementation regardless of the person's health situation, unless of course the person was on a host of drugs, some of which might be adversely affected by the introduction of some supplements. What are supplements? They are vitamins and minerals that "supplement" the nutritional aims of eating. How do YOU know the level of nutrients in any vegetable you eat, even if you grow it yourself? Are you testing them somehow to be sure they are nutrient rich? <br /><br />Nemec offers the means by which an individual can learn about health and nutrition on his own as well as the ability to acquire the types of supplements helpful to that end. Who at your drugstore has examined you before peddling their vitamins to YOU?<br /><br /><i>"I would use the word knowledgable rather than reliable with regard to health issues and more able to identify any that might be present."</i><br /><br />You only assume the extent of knowledge of either gentleman. I assume (to an extent---after due diligence) sufficient knowledge supported by the testimonies of happy, healthy patients. In Nemec's case, despite the fact that he doesn't make claims about treating particular illnesses, he understands the relationship between how we live and eat and how that impacts our bodies. <br /><br />Another source of mine, Dr. Robert O. Young (who peddles products he developed from research into nutrition and its role in our overall health) puts it this way: the only disease is bad nutrition. The only cure is good nutrition. This is the bottom line of his philosophy and he says a lot of the same things Nemec says from a slightly different angle, but agreeing on the importance of the body being an environment unsuitable for the proliferation of disease. I've been hearing of such things long before I heard of either of these two guys. Even Manso recommends a site with vegetable based drinks and such along the same lines as the supps both of my guys "peddle". <br /><br />It seems your criticisms are more in reaction to my logical objections to universal health care and based mostly on a few negative testimonials from people whose real stories are unknown to you.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-57659240050951514952010-11-17T00:29:56.547-06:002010-11-17T00:29:56.547-06:00"You simply think that because he has a tradi..."You simply think that because he has a traditional medical background that he is more reliable."<br /><br />I would use the word knowledgable rather than reliable with regard to health issues and more able to identify any that might be present. That is why, if I were to go the alternative route, I would choose a doctor like Manso rather than Nemec.<br /><br />"A USP symbol is worthless for your health if the nutrients aren't absorbed."<br /><br />They will more likely be absorbed if the breakdown time is around 30 minutes. A USP symbol tells you that the product's breakdown time has been tested and approved, among other things. <br /><br />"I also find it odd that you think whether or not a doctor "peddles products" is relevant to his expertise or ability."<br /><br />I would think that a doctor who was really concerned about a person's health would want to examine them and get a medical history before selling them a supplement or anything else.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-48793631129147043412010-11-16T18:21:22.321-06:002010-11-16T18:21:22.321-06:00"But I have a huge problem with someone who i...<i>"But I have a huge problem with someone who is NOT a medical doctor treating someone with a serious disease like diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, etc, with supplements and adverstising on their website that they can be cured."</i><br /><br />First of all, while I would not seek medical attention from anyone other than a graduate of medical school, Nemec doesn't treat conditions, per se. He doesn't even really discuss what ailments one is trying to address by visiting his clinic. That could be because he ISN'T a doctor in the manner of your beloved. Nemec seeks to help people achieve "total health", as he puts it, by altering diet and lifestyle in a manner that produces that effect. A host of symptoms (which is what disease really is) will naturally dissipate when the right changes are made. Your guy would agree with this. <br /><br />I will say that there is a point at which nothing will help. Someone with a cancer at stage four might be too far gone to help. Nemec's hope is that people will be proactive about their health rather than reactive, which is why I believe such attitudes are conducive to lowering our individual health care costs. I would wager your guy would agree with that as well. <br /><br />As to treating diseases, I wouldn't care about the sheepskin if I felt confident that the practioner had a good track record. From what I've learned about the human body, and again, Nemec is but one source for me, I know that traditional medicine is better suited to stitching gashes and setting broken bones, removing organs and pumping stomachs, than it is healing sick people. <br /><br />But here's the thing: Your guy and my guy have both done similar things. YOUR guy has put aside his original training in favor of the alternative, falling back on the traditional if needed. Well, forget that potential need for a moment and you have the same situation with both dudes. They are both focusing on their training in alternative methods primarily. You simply think that because he has a traditional medical background that he is more reliable. That may be if those potential needs manifest. But until then, his superiority isn't so clear cut. <br /><br />A final point or two: <br /><br />If you're buying supps from the local drugstore, I would urge you to investigate the bio-availability of those products. A USP symbol is worthless for your health if the nutrients aren't absorbed. Some of the common brands, for instance, like Centrum and One-A-Day, I wouldn't take if they were free. <br /><br />I also find it odd that you think whether or not a doctor "peddles products" is relevant to his expertise or ability. That's about as goofy as Parkie's inability to resist buying things he doesn't want because of the awesome power advertisements have over his self-control.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-60594955021664891762010-11-16T17:58:36.609-06:002010-11-16T17:58:36.609-06:00Li'l Parkie,
"The first part of your res...Li'l Parkie,<br /><br /><i>"The first part of your response addresses nothing and is only filled with hot air and insults."</i><br /><br />You're absolutely right. As your comments amount to no better than nothing, that is indeed what my response addressed. And I didn't get to any real insults until the "writing in crayon" remark. Until then, what you see as "hot air" was my ongoing request that you stop acting like a jackass and post something substantive for a change. That would be an insult if you DIDN'T act like a jackass.<br /><br /><i>"Good thing the bible teaches that it is okay to treat people you disagree with like dirt."</i><br /><br />Thankfully I have YOUR superior atheistic expressions of incredible kindness and compassion from which I can draw some lesson. I am truly humbled.<br /><br /><i>"You admit that advertising changes behavior."</i><br /><br />Upon further review, I don't believe I've argued that it doesn't. I DID argue that only a Parkie-like person would use advertisements as the basis for due diligence in consumer research. The first quote of mine you highlighted was to illustrate the extent to which advertising "makes" me do anything. That is, it alerts me to a product on the market that MIGHT be of benefit to me. That is all ads are meant to do. Anyone who is "made" to purchase, compelled by an irresistable power of an ad as your statement beforehand insists, is not a wise consumer. <br /><br />My attitude, by the way, is just fine, especially considering your visits. <br /><br />Your final comments are goofy. Try speaking English.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-70972018433238174602010-11-16T14:45:59.661-06:002010-11-16T14:45:59.661-06:00Look Marshall, I have nothing against vitamins. I...Look Marshall, I have nothing against vitamins. I take them myself. I do try and buy the ones with the USP symbol at my local drug store however. No need to spend a ridulous fortune on them when none of them are regulated anyway. <br /><br />But I have a huge problem with someone who is NOT a medical doctor treating someone with a serious disease like diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, etc, with supplements and adverstising on their website that they can be cured. At least on Dr. Manso's website he doesn't peddle supplements and he's honest by stating: "Because of our vast experience, we have found that there are conditions in which we are no better than average, and therefore, normally don’t handle. (Including diabetes, alcoholism, advanced liver cirrhosis, paraplegias, and cancer, to mention just a few)."Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-2171243302599736042010-11-16T13:26:58.399-06:002010-11-16T13:26:58.399-06:00Ma,
Very nice... The first part of your response ...Ma,<br /><br />Very nice... The first part of your response addresses nothing and is only filled with hot air and insults. Good thing the bible teaches that it is okay to treat people you disagree with like dirt. Close one for us. We almost went to hell, and in a handbasket no less!<br /><br />"the worst advertising can provoke out of me is to risk a bit of coin to test out an advertised product if no product review is handy or available"<br /><br />and...<br /><br />"Only a Parklife would base such things on a TV ad."<br /><br />You admit that advertising changes behavior. Fantastic! I think you may be learning. You could use an attitude adjustment. But, this is a good start. <br /><br />"The mere threat of Obamacare has prompted that, and as more is learned about it, more companies are having the sweats figuring out how to compete."<br /><br />And.. these mythical companies have replaced the lost healthcare benefit with an increase in pay? In turn, this wage bump has stimulated the local economy! Turning a once bleak job outlook into a conservative nirvana… To quote Huell Howser.. "That’s Amazing!"<br /><br />Oh... wait.. that didn’t happen? We have mythical companies leaving people uninsured. With their mythical workers praying not to get sick in order to avoid going BK. Bummer.Parklifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-9278323133892591202010-11-16T12:31:57.107-06:002010-11-16T12:31:57.107-06:00Vinny,
"I don't assume the methods don&#...Vinny,<br /><br /><i>"I don't assume the methods don't work...However, it would need to be shown based on sound studies, not anecdotal evidence."</i><br /><br />Of course. And I never meant to imply that happy talk from allegedly real satisfied people on a website should be your main source of compelling info. Don't think I suggested that at all. At the same time, you seem to have totally blown the guy off for the exact opposite reason...because you read a negative anecdote or two. Makes perfect sense.<br /><br /><i>"You have a tendency to accept uncritically anything you are told by people whose views you share and to summarily dismiss all contrary evidence."</i><br /><br />I get this a lot from people whose contrary evidence is less than compelling but matches the views they share. You assume I cling to anything that validates my opinion simply because it conflicts with yours, while I insist, as I always do, that my opinions are formed by my own observations and understandings of what I read, see and hear. How is that different from you? I won't argue about the volume of info digested. I will even concede without any supporting evidence that you have read far more than I have. Let's call it a given. Others have to be sure and yet those others have not impressed me with their ability to understand what they've read. <br /><br />More to the point, just how can I be certain that YOU have done what you insist I don't? How can you prove that what YOU put forth as support isn't just that which aligns with your own preconceived notions?Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-35429904545317191692010-11-16T12:10:25.462-06:002010-11-16T12:10:25.462-06:00Marty,
I get it now. One must avoid doctors who ...Marty,<br /><br />I get it now. One must avoid doctors who peddle supplements unless those supplements come from Germany. I get it now. Thanks.<br /><br />As it happens, I don't get the supplements I personally use from Germany, but they are made according to standards stiffer than pharmaceuticals, in the event that the FDA forces supp manufacturers to adhere to same. As to Nemec's, I doubt you have any idea where his come from or what lengths he's gone to verify their quality. As far as that goes, I doubt you have any idea regarding the German supps, but only took the doctor's word for it, didn't you? If you think his advice regarding supps wasn't even just a bit to dissuade you from buying from anyone else, then you're gullible. <br /><br />Now to be sure, if you feel comfortable with the doctor you are seeing, and have come to trust him implicitly, then you live and die by his recommendations. <br /><br />It is as with most people, including myself. But don't try to tell me that you are dismissing the people I put forth as examples based only on solid research because I don't believe you've had the time to do any but the most cursory level in so short a time. Unlike Vinny and yourself, I spent time listening to my guys and reading their stuff until the only choice was to try it myself or blow them off. I tried them and found success and as a result I offer them to any who would do the same. Apparently, you and Vinny put a lot of stock in the negative testimonies of unknown people who may have some ax to grind (or not, who knows? How could you?).<br /><br />You also seem to have faith in the medical knowledge of one guy who has put that education to the side in favor of the alternative medical knowledge he has gained more recently. He, like Nemec, started from a different place before coming to alternative medicines, yet neither has totally abandoned either their former fields or the notion that other forms of treatments beyond the alternative might be appropriate. Where you got the notion that Nemec wouldn't send someone for traditional remedies is beyond me. Don't forget. <i>I'm</i> supposed to be the dismissive one when something contradicts what I want to believe. Vinny says so.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-17947316336162190722010-11-15T17:17:57.399-06:002010-11-15T17:17:57.399-06:00"I don't assume the methods don't wor..."I don't assume the methods don't work. I don't know whether they work or not."<br /><br />Exactly. And with someone like your wife, who has serious condition like Lupus, you don't want to play around with a D.C. who peddles vitamins and herbs on his website.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-28398080711332150892010-11-15T15:27:29.706-06:002010-11-15T15:27:29.706-06:00I don't assume the methods don't work. I ...I don't assume the methods don't work. I don't know whether they work or not. If it can be shown that people can avoid the need for expensive drugs and surgeries by building up their immune systems, then it will save tons of money. However, it would need to be shown based on sound studies, not anecdotal evidence.<br /><br />Unfortunately, your evaluation of the reports doesn't carry a lot of weight with me. You have a tendency to accept uncritically anything you are told by people whose views you share and to summarily dismiss all contrary evidence.Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-72087033240848912322010-11-15T15:01:55.575-06:002010-11-15T15:01:55.575-06:00"This Manso sounds very similar to Nemec.&quo..."This Manso sounds very similar to Nemec."<br /><br />Not really Marshall. He doesn't peddle vitamins and if he feels he can't treat your problem, he refers you to a medical docotor who can. That's the difference between having medical knowledge and not. I have nothing against chiropractors as long as they stick to the musculoskeletal system. My husband sees one on a regular basis. I personally prefer a massage therapist and see one regularly.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-14164893728608574582010-11-15T13:19:59.643-06:002010-11-15T13:19:59.643-06:00Marty,
This Manso sounds very similar to Nemec. ...Marty,<br /><br />This Manso sounds very similar to Nemec. But you give him more props because of his background in traditional medicine. Why does this make a difference when he's saying the same things (so far as I can tell at this point---I intend to look more at his site)? Because you have some condescending attitude about chiropractic care?<br /><br />I think perhaps you assume that Nemec has nothing but nasty things to say about traditional medicine. As I have not suggested anything of the kind, I don't know how you could say so. It has its place and Nemec has never said otherwise to my knowledge. As I've said, he and Manso seem to be on the same page. <br /><br />They both seem to stand solidly behind the supps they recommend, as well.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-17928377417535067522010-11-15T13:14:25.352-06:002010-11-15T13:14:25.352-06:00Wrong again, Vinny. You add to the cost of univer...Wrong again, Vinny. You add to the cost of universal health care by adding alternative methods to the mix and also by assuming these methods <i>don't</i> work. Here's another reason why you're wrong: The contrary opinions of the people you offer are only contrary opinions. Alone, they mean no more than that. You do not weigh them against the positive testimonials, plus you give them more credit without any knowledge as to the effort the people put into following Nemec's advice. You assume. <br /><br />In the meantime, I've spoken to and read testimonials of patients who have reversed serious ailments following his advice. His own wife suffered from ailments her doctors could not relieve. His research into alternative methods brought her back to health. This alone would mean little if not for all the others who did likewise.Marshal Arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01054268632726520871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9149193.post-19242150968744416482010-11-15T12:11:14.787-06:002010-11-15T12:11:14.787-06:00Marshall here is the type of doctor that I was tal...Marshall <a href="http://drmanso.com/about-us/drmanso/" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the type of doctor that I was talking about. If you go the alternative route, I feel it is very very important to have a medical doctor that can incorporate both conventional and alternative medicine when dealing with a serious disease. Dr Manso's fees and lab tests are reimbursed by most insurance carriers, but you have to file your own claim.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908921670853665703noreply@blogger.com